Unsafe for children to be in homes with guns...

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I used to have Nerf gun battles every weekend (in a church no less) with several friends, played war games with Legos, watched violent movies, played shooter video games, even got to light a few fireworks on the 4th of July

By that doctor's logic I should have blown up the world by now. But no, my parents were actually parents and were involved with my life. They taught me right from wrong and real from play. It's really not that difficult
 
Households with bicycles are more likely to have children who are injured. Roller skates , trampolines, ball and jacks, baseball bats, swing sets,concrete around or in their structure,etc.etc. I'm old enough to remember a kinder gentler less PC life. Common sense is no longer common. Teach your children well ? Somebody dropped the ball... I hope my grandchildren aren't on the receiving end of the socialist bull crap being shoveled by the dirt hippies I grew up with. Take care of your families .
 
I think I can see a point to it, Keep your kids away from guns and they cannot be harmed by them. remove one of the many causes of "accidental death."

There are problems with this solution though. Foremost it completely ignores the real issue of how your child should respond to a gun. If they know to not play with them, not even touch them unless they know how to use them then there is not any problem. They Will encounter a gun at some point in their lives.

The blanket statement assumes you have complete control over your child. That is true at 1yr, maybe at 3yr, absolutely untrue above 5yr.

Much better to teach your children to respect guns, know not to play with them and if someone else is playing with one go find an adult (because taking one away could be very dangerous).


I'd be interested to know the source for the pamphlet. Is it something the Dr made up or was it provided by some agency. The AMA is known anti group though and a likely source. Does it contain the top 10 causes of accidental deaths or just single out firearms...
 
That is a good point. If this doc does have really bent feelings on firearms, would he be the type to call the state in when your kids is telling him about all the fun he had shooting over the weekend?

I don't know what our particular pediatrician's direct beliefs on firearms are. This clinic is large and is a branch of a local group of pediatric doctors. I have heard of similar information given out at hospitals and such and I think, by in large, the medical community is anti-gun. I can't say that I would change doctors based on these beliefs because we feel that our particular doctor is very good with our son. I am going to ask him directly at our next appointment about the literature and what he feels about it.
 
You guys are going about it the wrong way. Next time you go in have that flier with you. Print out the study that shows you are far more likely to be killed by a medical professional. Dress it up a bit so its similar to the one you were given. List the top 50 causes of death to children as stated by the CDC.

He's going to get insulted. Let him know you feel the same way. I made some of these accurate and informative brochures. I tell people to look up the stats at the appropriate websites.

It won't immediately change anyone's position, but it will get them thinking. Quite often that can have a profound effect on the anti-gun brain washing.

I've had numerous vocal anti's approach me for advice about guns. Mostly women. In reality, most self proclaimed anti's are just misinformed people so busy with their lives that they don't really think about it that much. They just go with what the media thinks. Don't get confrontational and emotional.

The truth and facts are on our side. Calm, informed discussion can and does change the hearts and minds of low information voters. Inform them. Support your position with proveable facts. Accept that they have been misled and inform them.
 
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I see it as a anti-gun bias by the medical profession. Singling out firearms as a safety issue while not mentioning other possible hazards like power tools, electricity or household cleaners underneath the sink is anti-gun bias. I would venture to guess that they failed to mention that leaving car keys out on the table would also invite the child to steal the car and run down people too.

I suggest making a copy of that sheet and submit it/ publish it to NRAILA, GOA and other pro-gun sites and related forums along with the doctor's name and address. Perhaps by exposing this, it could get the attention of other gun owners and could force the doctor (or the facility) to stop issuing this sort of paperwork.

That is how I see this
Won't help.
NRA/GOA ares very well aware of the activities of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

This is an openly anti-firearm organization. Well, I say openly, they have tried to fly under the radar in the last couple years. They actually removed their blatant anti-firearm position statement from their website, and have now instead focused their propaganda on this "Critical Public Health Concern". :banghead:
 
Do they point out that swimming pools kill more kids than guns?

Need we mention the mortality from medical "mistakes"?
 
Won't help.
NRA/GOA ares very well aware of the activities of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

This is an openly anti-firearm organization. Well, I say openly, they have tried to fly under the radar in the last couple years. They actually removed their blatant anti-firearm position statement from their website, and have now instead focused their propaganda on this "Critical Public Health Concern". :banghead:
This thread is already up to 33 responses so far, there is big interest in this. Many of us are tired of this bias against firearms by the medical profession. I say let them know how we feel about it. The point is, if we get enough people involved and complain, maybe these little notices will stop being sent to parents. I know the medical profession is anti-gun, I wasn't aware that they are stooping this low.

I'm not certain that all gun owners were aware that these notices are being sent home to the parents. Some of us here were a bit surprised and understandably upset over it. Lets keep them from 'flying under the radar', lets send a message that their anti-gun bias is not appreciated and that we as law abiding gun owners know how to manage our children better than any doctor, doctor's office, medical group or any anti-gun organization.

I say expose it for what it is...anti-gun bias. I think others will be interested that these anti-gun notices are being sent home to the parents.

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Won't help.
NRA/GOA ares very well aware of the activities of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

Ah, ha! Then you tell the doctor what you did – even if you didn't really do it – and maybe he will sweat a little.
 
My doctor is NOT a willing participant in any anti gun propaganda. He's an avid "Cowboy Action" shooter. Whenever I see him we usually end up talking guns.
 
My mother likes to joke that since I wasn't allowed to play with many toy firearms as a kid, that is why I have real firearms now. But I have always had an interest in them.

Toy firearms will be part of the lesson when my son (9 months old now) and any other future ones start learning. One of them is a bolt action nerf gun with a magazine, just like a rifle I have. Once he can be safe with that around, then he will graduate to the 10/22 at the range with me.
 
I see it as a anti-gun bias by the medical profession. Singling out firearms as a safety issue while not mentioning other possible hazards like power tools, electricity or household cleaners underneath the sink is anti-gun bias. I would venture to guess that they failed to mention that leaving car keys out on the table would also invite the child to steal the car and run down people too.

I suggest making a copy of that sheet and submit it/ publish it to NRAILA, GOA and other pro-gun sites and related forums along with the doctor's name and address. Perhaps by exposing this, it could get the attention of other gun owners and could force the doctor (or the facility) to stop issuing this sort of paperwork.

That is how I see this
Change doctors as step one.
 
We're talking about human children, not chimpanzees. I grew up with all kinds of toy guns, and we played with them as intended. Never once did I mistake the real thing for a toy, and I knew full well what would happen if I touched my dad's firearms without his express permission. I got my first BB gun at age 6, but I wasn't allowed to actually take possession of it until I had memorized the ten commandments. Once that was done, I was basically turned loose with the thing, with the understanding that if I ever used it on a pet or another human being, I'd have the stock broken over my posterior.
Was it the Ten Commandments or the ten commandments of firearms safety? I guess either one would do the job.
 
Not too long ago doctors stopped treating kids from families where guns were kept in the house. They called it a "health issue". Many doctors are rabidly anti-gun. That's ok. I know people that are rabidly anti-doctors. An outcry from citizens made that "refuse to treat" stuff go away when a law was passed to end it. But I strongly suspect that guns will be considered a "health issue" once again once Obamacare gets rolling. They want control over your life so they can make you a slave. And if they pull your teeth it's hard to bite them back.
 
I see it as a anti-gun bias by the medical profession. Singling out firearms as a safety issue while not mentioning other possible hazards like power tools, electricity or household cleaners underneath the sink is anti-gun bias. I would venture to guess that they failed to mention that leaving car keys out on the table would also invite the child to steal the car and run down people too.

I suggest making a copy of that sheet and submit it/ publish it to NRAILA, GOA and other pro-gun sites and related forums along with the doctor's name and address. Perhaps by exposing this, it could get the attention of other gun owners and could force the doctor (or the facility) to stop issuing this sort of paperwork.

That is how I see this
Exactly, that med office needs to be told its none of their business if there's a gun in the home, that it isn't a medical matter, and that in your opinion a defenseless child is less safe.
 
Heh, a friend of mine's father is a doctor, and his gun collection would rival a small museum's. Including many Class III weapons and "devices".
 
I actually found a set of lawn darts at a local antique store, bought them, and have been.....

Teaching my nephew and niece to use them safely (put the target hoops at one end of the pitch, and each player tries to land their dart in their ring, instead of having rings at opposite ends and throwing towards the other players)
 
I actually found a set of lawn darts at a local antique store, bought them, and have been.....

Teaching my nephew and niece to use them safely (put the target hoops at one end of the pitch, and each player tries to land their dart in their ring, instead of having rings at opposite ends and throwing towards the other players)

Are lawn darts legal in your state? They are quite illegal in my home state. There's nothing dangerous about lawn darts if used properly, the same as guns.
 
When were lawn darts introduced?

One summer in the mid 1950s, our uncle who was a Lt. in the National Guard gave me and my brother Jeff a spent inert 3.5" bazooka rocket which we threw about the backyard in our own version of lawn dart games.
 
I was instructed from the earliest age possible that if I touched a gun without an adult present I would be promptly spanked and sent to bed without dinner (no dinner was a big deal to me). Never went near the guns, neither did any of our child visitors.

This sounds exactly like the instructions I received. I never touched a gun and never went to bed hungry (a big deal to me as well)
 
I think that things don't become a big deal unless you make a big deal about them
 
On the next visit to the doctor I would take the flyer and have a calm discussion with him about it. If he would persist in passing these out I would switch doctors. If insurance is an issue I would have a discussion with them also. Sadly because of the limits of some insurance policies you may not have the option of switching.
 
I remember my dad didn't allow me to aim a toy gun at anyone. Even knowing that it was a toy gun. And that If I touched a real gun without him being present I would be punished. I never touched a gun without him being present.

I could have written this. We were always the "weird" kids, telling our friends that "you shouldn't ever point a gun at someone!" toy or not. Thankfully, dad used those terms. Could you imagine a 5-year old saying something like, "only at something you intend to destroy/kill"? :eek:

Sure, situations will come up later in life where that may change (heaven forbid) but we could make that determination when we're much older/mature.
 
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