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Unscoped AR pics... As opposed to the scoped ones

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by .45Guy, Sep 15, 2005.

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  1. .45Guy

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    Can't let the scoped guys get all the glory here! :neener:

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  2. DMK

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    Ah, gotta love simple, light and basic. Just like the AR was supposed to be.

    OK, I see your 'A1'

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    And raise you a pre-ban 'A2' ;)

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  3. Hkmp5sd

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    See your A1 and A2 and raise you...


    One SP1 (top) and one M16A1 (bottom). :)
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  4. MDHunter

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    Question about These Guns

    Hi Guys,

    I have several bolt action rifles, think it's time I considered one of these beauties to add to my collection! If it's not too much trouble, could one of you briefly tell me the differences between the guns here - A1, A2, SP1, and M16A1? I'm thinking .223 caliber, what are some of the strong/weak points of each of the above? And I'm in Maryland, maybe I can't consider the A2?
    What will it cost me (roughly) to pick up one of these new, and which would you recommend if you had your choice of all 4?

    Thanks for any info that you provide, and thanks for the great pics.

    Michael
     
  5. Feanaro

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    For a quick guide to the receiver differences, check out http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/uppers/ and for more, http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/ .

    The other big differences are in the sights, barrel, and furniture. The M16 and M16A1 style rifles usually have a less adjustable sight setup, a thin barrel, triangular handguards, and a slightly shorter buttstock than the A2. The A2 has a thin barrel under the handguard but heavy on the outside, round handguards, and a different flash hider. The M16(A1) style rifles generally use a 1 in 12" twist rate, good for the original 55 grain loads but not as stable for heavier rounds. The A2 rifles often have 1 in 9" or 1 in 7". Go ask about the best on AR15.com if you like. Be ready for an earful though. :evil:

    I hope that helps you a little and that I haven't mangled the facts. I'm not an AR guy.
     
  6. Spot77

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    You can buy pretty much any AR in Maryland, you just can't buy mags greater than 20 rounds for it IN Maryland.

    It's not illegal to OWN mags greater than 20 rounds though, so you can simply drive across the border into the United States (aka PA or VA) and buy as many as you want.
     
  7. mtnbkr

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  8. Rexrider

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    The rifle I purchased to celebrate the end of the ban. Plain, simple, no batteries required.

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  9. dleong

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    Hmm... "batteryless" ARs, eh?

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    This one's a 20" A3, built with an RRA upper, DPMS barrel, Bushmaster buttstock, Eagle Arms lower with RRA internals, and a 2-stage trigger modified to break at 1.5 lbs. A real "mutt" if there ever was one.


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    The top AR features an RRA 16" upper assembly with mid-length handguards and a "tactical" carry handle mated to an Eagle Arms lower with an RRA 2-stage trigger and a rather forlorn-looking DPMS A2 buttstock. A2 flashhider and Hogue grip but no bayo lug.

    The bottom AR has a complete Stag Arms 16" M4-style upper assembly with an ARMS #40 flip-up rear sight. The lower is again an Eagle Arms receiver with RRA internals and a 2-stage trigger. The 6-position telestock is by RRA. First Samco G27 grip.

    The RRA 2-stage triggers in both ARs have been modified to break at about 1.5 lbs.


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  10. Hkmp5sd

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    About those pictured, the Colt AR-15 SP1 was an early version of the AR-15 and is identical to the A1 except it does not have a forward assist.

    The M16A1 is technically not an AR because is a machinegun. The M16A1 is the same rifle used by the military from Vietnam until the late 1980s when they went to the M16A2, the major difference being they removed the full auto capability from the rifle and add a 3-round burst.

    The M16A1 pictured is fully automatic, has a Bushmaster 14.5" upper and 6-position telestock added.
     
  11. DMK

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    Drooolll...

    <jealous smilie> :)


    Just curious Hkmp5sd, what configuration was the original upper on that thing?
     
  12. DMK

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    mdhunter, basically what we call 'A1s' are configured to look similar to military M16A1s (or the civilian SP1), and 'A2s' are configured to look similar to military M16A2s. You'll also see the term 'A4' meaning configured to look similar to the military M16A4, although many people call any 'flattop' AR an 'A4'.

    Where the A1 has a simple flip short range peep/ long range peep, the A2 has a larger "ghost ring" close range arperture and the same long range peep as the A1. It also has an adjustable elevation control calibrated to various distances in meters.

    The A1 barrel is thin and has a 1/12 twist, where the A2 will have a 1/9 twist for most civilian models, although a 1/7 twist is sometimes available. The barrel "profile" on most civilian A2s will be an Hbar (heavy barrel) which has a constant, very gradual taper from chamber to muzzle. Some prefer the less common "government profile" which is machined down under the handguards to save weight. These look identical with the handguards on, so look through the cooling holes in the guards to se what you have.

    An A4 is an A2 with a removable carry handle.

    Most basically:

    The A1 is lighter and has simpler sights, but has the 1/12 twist. That means that generally it can't stabilize anything over a 60gr. bullet. It also has a shorter buttstock, but has fat triangle handguards.

    The A2 is a little heavier, but will shoot heavier 62gr to 77 gr. bullets, has a longer buttstock and has thinner handguards. It also looks more like current military rifles.

    BTW: The stocks are interchangable (as are most parts), so you could get a lightweight 'A1' and put the thin handguards of the A2 on it. You could even put the "ghost ring" arperture from an A2 on it, but it still wouldn't be adjustable.
     
  13. .45Guy

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    Yeah, I know I need to do some cleaning :rolleyes:

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  14. Rockstar

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    O.K., "unscoped" then!
     

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    The original configuration is identical to the AR-15 A1 upper and stock. It only takes a few seconds to switch it back to original.
     
  17. DMK

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    Ah, OK. I had a brain fart. For some reason I was thinking the collapsable stock was original, like an XM-177. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Gewehr98

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    Late '93 Colt Competition HBAR

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    Rockstar, lol! :)
     
  20. bytor94

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    The Bushnell isn't a scope! No magnification at all.

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