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Also, in a poll I read that was directed towards 16 felons... one of their main concerns was dog noise...seems a large dog barking of any breed was deterrent enough for most to choose another location.
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Untrained dogs are not necessarily a security enhancement
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Also, in a poll I read that was directed towards 16 felons... one of their main concerns was dog noise...seems a large dog barking of any breed was deterrent enough for most to choose another location.
P5 Guy
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<---- Maddy, will raise a ruckus for sure. But all the noise is just an exuberant greeting soon to be followed with a toy dropped at your feet for playtime.
Old Dog
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Well, xXxplosive, it does appear you and I do have something in common after all ... we're on number 6 ourselves, and our new girl is a humdinger ... And you confirm what JW is saying: if you're gonna rely on a breed commonly used as a security dog, training is essential. Beautiful pup, by the way.
Wish I had a such a great action shot of one of mine, but here's my big guy (110 lbs) doing what he does best:
xXxplosive
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He's a Beautiful dog.......your a lucky fella to have him.Well, xXxplosive, it does appear you and I do have something in common after all ... we're on number 6 ourselves, and our new girl is a humdinger ... And you confirm what JW is saying: if you're gonna rely on a breed commonly used as a security dog, training is essential. Beautiful pup, by the way.
Wish I had a such a great action shot of one of mine, but here's my big guy (110 lbs) doing what he does best:
Training is essential.....
david58
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Frankly, I don't care what happens when I am not home, I want them to provide the alarm when people ARE home. I don't want my stuff guarded, I want the people in my house to be safe.
I know how my dogs alert, and they will bark at folks on the sidewalk that they can't see. I also know how protective they are of my wife (I'm on my own, I'm sure), and would recommend you not open the door unless invited in. But the point is this - they make the noise, that's what they are hired for, and the only job they have to do (wish I could teach them to clean the back yard). My wife and I provide them with backup.
redbone
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The OP merely said untrained is not reliable. I agree, not a sure thing. I think every dog owner has a good idea about their particular dog. I sure don't expect mine to keep anyone out if I'm not there. But, I am very confident that I will be awakened or alerted if there is an attempt to get inside when I'm home. That's all I count on, and all I really expect.
redbone
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David58 and I tried to say the same thing at the same time. He said it better.
redbone
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In my case the response time is assumed to be 45 minutes. I will investigate so I can then go back to sleep after repelling The Great Squirrel Invasion.
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My dogs bark their heads off when there is a stranger around. If I could interpret their bark it would say "Over here, over here, I am over here, come here to play and rub my belly". And of course most of the time they are oblivious of anything going on outside.
My Siamese cat knows everything happening in the house and the outside. Anyone that he doesn't like and lets out a loud yowl that could wake the dead. And he too loves visitors. But at least warns well. With kids around the house its hard to justify an aggressive dog.
My Siamese cat knows everything happening in the house and the outside. Anyone that he doesn't like and lets out a loud yowl that could wake the dead. And he too loves visitors. But at least warns well. With kids around the house its hard to justify an aggressive dog.
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My 65 lb. terrier is more like a pussycat, wants to lick everyone and be petted by them. He does have a deep chested bark when something or someone comes on our property, probably to let them know he's there and would like to be petted.
I use his attraction for people to my advantage when someone I don't know comes to the door. He's already barking and I have to hold him back from greeting them when I open the door. While holding him I shout "no biting, no biting". You'd be amazed at how many people, upon hearing that, remember that there's someplace else much more important they have to be.
I use his attraction for people to my advantage when someone I don't know comes to the door. He's already barking and I have to hold him back from greeting them when I open the door. While holding him I shout "no biting, no biting". You'd be amazed at how many people, upon hearing that, remember that there's someplace else much more important they have to be.
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I am going to strongly disagree that a dog must be trained to be a benefit to security. They simply must have a protective instinct. I own 3 dogs and not a single one of them has been formally trained to be guard dogs. But they take every instance to let me know when a car pulls in the driveway. Or another dog is in my yard that I should chase off.
Likewise when I was deployed overseas we had wild dogs follow us home with nothing more than a strip of meat and a pat on the head. One of the best guard dogs I ever witnessed was one we named George. If you were American he was your best friend. If anything else, he became as violent as a rabid fighting cage dog.
Likewise when I was deployed overseas we had wild dogs follow us home with nothing more than a strip of meat and a pat on the head. One of the best guard dogs I ever witnessed was one we named George. If you were American he was your best friend. If anything else, he became as violent as a rabid fighting cage dog.
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Story...
We had a 100# shepherd mix mutt, that was the most loving, sweet dog you ever knew. Couldn't come up with a good name, so I named it PD - "pup dog." PD greeted every single visitor that drove up the driveway. Every single stranger got right back in the car and rolled up the window till we came out.
My mom, not knowing exactly the impact, had taught PD to "smile".
We had a 100# shepherd mix mutt, that was the most loving, sweet dog you ever knew. Couldn't come up with a good name, so I named it PD - "pup dog." PD greeted every single visitor that drove up the driveway. Every single stranger got right back in the car and rolled up the window till we came out.
My mom, not knowing exactly the impact, had taught PD to "smile".
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"...most druggies are afraid of big black dogs..." Most criminals are afraid of any dog.
Whether Fido is any good as an alarm depends on how often he's been told(in whatever good or bad way.) to or not to bark when somebody comes to the door. Little dogs all think they're Rottweiler's too. Mind you, Rottweiler's can be controlled by a cat. My ma's neighbour had 3 of 'em. Guys teenage sons' buddy's were not afraid of the dog, but were of the boss cat. Our cat just laughed at 'em when they went berserk trying to knock him off the top of the 8 foot fence. So security trained or not any dog can be unreliable. It's about what he's been told was ok to do.
Snakes, unlike dogs, do not come to the sound of a can opener either. snicker.
"...dogs belonging to whites will be hostile to blacks..." Delivered the mail long ago. Had one furniture refinisher shop on my walk who had a Pit Bull as his security system. Ran into the guy with the dog on a lease, one day. I was in my truck. Asked the guy if the dog was ok with me. He said, "Sure. He doesn't like black guys though." The guys shop was in a small industrial plaza surrounded by businesses owned by black guys. Gave the dog a biscuit(way more effective than the issued pepper spray) and he still went nuts the next time I stepped on the porch.
Whether Fido is any good as an alarm depends on how often he's been told(in whatever good or bad way.) to or not to bark when somebody comes to the door. Little dogs all think they're Rottweiler's too. Mind you, Rottweiler's can be controlled by a cat. My ma's neighbour had 3 of 'em. Guys teenage sons' buddy's were not afraid of the dog, but were of the boss cat. Our cat just laughed at 'em when they went berserk trying to knock him off the top of the 8 foot fence. So security trained or not any dog can be unreliable. It's about what he's been told was ok to do.
Snakes, unlike dogs, do not come to the sound of a can opener either. snicker.
"...dogs belonging to whites will be hostile to blacks..." Delivered the mail long ago. Had one furniture refinisher shop on my walk who had a Pit Bull as his security system. Ran into the guy with the dog on a lease, one day. I was in my truck. Asked the guy if the dog was ok with me. He said, "Sure. He doesn't like black guys though." The guys shop was in a small industrial plaza surrounded by businesses owned by black guys. Gave the dog a biscuit(way more effective than the issued pepper spray) and he still went nuts the next time I stepped on the porch.
A guardian instinct, to be precise. We've had hunting dogs for long time, but I prefer a canaan dog as a "doorbell" on the side. A pariah dog, which is closer to wild than domesticated dogs in behavior, and mine have been 2nd to 5th generation descendants of Negev desert captures and bedouin tent guards. They like to bark, which is sometimes annoying, but they rarely if ever bark without a solid reason and if something unusual is happening in or near the house, day or night, you'll know about it before you hear or see anything yourself. Without a fail.
Security training? None. Canaans are very predictable and great with family and friends unless they have been improperly trained and that's a risk I've never wanted to take. There aren't many properly trained canaans outside of the ranks of Mossad and I rather leave it at that.
Also unlike dogs, snakes can squeeze through and into very tiny openings and be very difficult to locate. Based on my experiences when I used to have snakes as pets, if you let 15 snakes loose inside a typical closed room, in the morning I would expect the following:Dog Soldier said:
1. One of them would have managed to find a way out of the room and would never be found again.
2. 3 or 4 of them to have found hiding places so good that locating them would take hours of work and retrieving them would require the use of tools. I remember one snake that crawled up inside a sofa and twined around the springs and other "chair innards". That was fun.
3. 6 or 7 would have found good hiding places, but would be found in a few minutes to an hour and would be able to be retrieved without tools.
4. The remainder would be easy to find and readily retrieved.
I saw another similar video awhile back. Two large dogs during a break-in. They initially barked but as soon as the burglars gained entry, they cowered silently in a corner until the break-in was over.
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The only alarm necessary.............
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Around 380 BC, the Celts went on a rampage and captured Rome. Those people still in Rome barricaded themselves up on one of Rome's hills, and the Celts attempted to take this hill by a night attack. None of the dogs barked, but the Sacred Geese at the Temple of Juno cackled and alerted the Romans.
After the Romans ransomed the city and the Celts withdrew, the Romans established their Treasury in that temple -- it obviously being the safest place in Rome. The temple came to be called the Temple of Juno Moneta ("Of the warning") and coins minted in the cella of that temple were called "moneta" -- or "money."
And every year afterward, the Romans held a procession in which a goose on a cushion, and a dog impaled on a stake were carried through the city.
I read that we used geese as early warning animals at Pershing Missile sites in Germany in the 80s.
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We used them in Viet Nam from what I was told, no one could sneak past a gaggle of geese and you couldn't kill all of them, tough to poison also.....
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.....and you could eat'em if you got hungry.
I have had many dogs, and I have no need for an aggressive dog. even though there is some primal cool factor in a tamed weapon, it just doesn't fit in with society well unless you really are in a remote area.
Aggressive dogs are far more likely to get you sued than anything else, and you may lose more money in a lawsuit than they protect in property. Dogs get out, they interact with friendly guests you didn't expect, and otherwise will have exposure to people even if you normally keep them away from strangers.
And many dogs trained in aggression revert to it if they feel a situation warrants it, even if normally friendly, and some of those situations may not legally warrant it, like when out for a walk and someone comes up to you that spooks the dog.
I generally see young men attracted to dogs they feel are good for intimidation or weapons. A large percentage of them being worse at properly training a dog to be obedient than the general public. Which is a big reason certain breeds get such a bad rap. They can get you criminal charges and cause other people pain and suffering, while not really providing a huge amount of security against an armed human being.
A breed with a lot of energy takes work to keep sane and obedient, and a disobedient dog that is aggressive poses a danger to others and is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Regular walks and other things are a big commitment, and walking a vicious or disobedient animal is a liability and a lot more work, and they tend to get less obedient if they have energy and you don't give them exercise.
They also cost ongoing money, from food to vaccines. A neighbor's dog caught rabies running around the neighborhood not many years ago and they fortunately figured it out it before catching it themselves from the dog.
Aggressive dogs are far more likely to get you sued than anything else, and you may lose more money in a lawsuit than they protect in property. Dogs get out, they interact with friendly guests you didn't expect, and otherwise will have exposure to people even if you normally keep them away from strangers.
And many dogs trained in aggression revert to it if they feel a situation warrants it, even if normally friendly, and some of those situations may not legally warrant it, like when out for a walk and someone comes up to you that spooks the dog.
I generally see young men attracted to dogs they feel are good for intimidation or weapons. A large percentage of them being worse at properly training a dog to be obedient than the general public. Which is a big reason certain breeds get such a bad rap. They can get you criminal charges and cause other people pain and suffering, while not really providing a huge amount of security against an armed human being.
A breed with a lot of energy takes work to keep sane and obedient, and a disobedient dog that is aggressive poses a danger to others and is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Regular walks and other things are a big commitment, and walking a vicious or disobedient animal is a liability and a lot more work, and they tend to get less obedient if they have energy and you don't give them exercise.
They also cost ongoing money, from food to vaccines. A neighbor's dog caught rabies running around the neighborhood not many years ago and they fortunately figured it out it before catching it themselves from the dog.
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