Andrew Wyatt
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I have no idea what it's for, but i'm getting one and it's going on my CCW permit.
Update on the .50 GI 1911...
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1911Tuner
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CCW the .50
Andrew said:
I have no idea what it's for, but i'm getting one and it's going on my CCW permit.
ATTA BOY! That's what makes America great. We can buy it because we
WANT it! I bought a .460 Weatherby several years ago. I didn't have
a use for it then, and I don't now. I bought it "just because".
Andrew said:
I have no idea what it's for, but i'm getting one and it's going on my CCW permit.
ATTA BOY! That's what makes America great. We can buy it because we
WANT it! I bought a .460 Weatherby several years ago. I didn't have
a use for it then, and I don't now. I bought it "just because".
voilsb
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It looks nice ... I still wonder how it's gonna look ballistically, though.
Tuner said:
I don't know if the LAR Grizzly was the first to chamber that round but I will tell you as a B-I-G fan of Mr. Browning's finest pistole design that the Grizzly is a heckuva fine piece of work. Tuner, if I come up to see you, I'll bring mine so's you can examine it (even though it is only a puny .44 Magnum model). 
I don't know if the LAR Grizzly was the first to chamber that round but I will tell you as a B-I-G fan of Mr. Browning's finest pistole design
that the Grizzly is a heckuva fine piece of work. Tuner, if I come up to see you, I'll bring mine so's you can examine it (even though it is only a puny .44 Magnum model). You're my kind of guy Tuner! I'm a guy who bought a couple of .458s just because. I have about as much need for a safari rifle as a pig does a sunday suit of clothes, but that didn't stop me!
1911Tuner
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Ballistically
voilsb said:
It looks nice ... I still wonder how it's gonna look ballistically, though.
Like the ballistics that worked for centuries prior to the advent of smokelss
powders and small-bore rifles. "Heavy ball, low velocity." Quite effective,
actually...Eh? Wot? The old Brown Bess in .75 and later .69 caliber...
it'd knock ya clean outta yer shoes...but DAYUMM that was a heavy sucker.
Cheer-O!
Sir Tuner
voilsb said:
It looks nice ... I still wonder how it's gonna look ballistically, though.
Like the ballistics that worked for centuries prior to the advent of smokelss
powders and small-bore rifles. "Heavy ball, low velocity." Quite effective,
actually...Eh? Wot? The old Brown Bess in .75 and later .69 caliber...
it'd knock ya clean outta yer shoes...but DAYUMM that was a heavy sucker.
Cheer-O!
Sir Tuner
Badger Arms
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One small observation. How do you fit a 50GI into a 1911 frame? You can't. They say it's the same size gun, but the frame and slide must be proprietary. I can't figure any way that you can fit the rounds in the magazine. Any reality check here?
1911Tuner
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Proprietary
Badger Arms said:
One small observation. How do you fit a 50GI into a 1911 frame? You can't.
Think...Double-stack frames and slightly wider slides...Cosmetics that can be easily concealed with a thicker frame rail area. Beefy man...Beefy!
It can be done...but at what cost?
Badger Arms said:
One small observation. How do you fit a 50GI into a 1911 frame? You can't.
Think...Double-stack frames and slightly wider slides...Cosmetics that can be easily concealed with a thicker frame rail area. Beefy man...Beefy!
It can be done...but at what cost?
1911Tuner
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Cost?
bigjim said/asked:
Tuner????? Cost????? Does it matter? Does it really matter?
Hellno! If it makes ya happy, WHY NOT? LMAO Hell, I want a
Ferrari Testarosa and a farm in Tennessee! Gonna have it one day too...
Well, the farm anyway.
bigjim said/asked:
Tuner????? Cost????? Does it matter? Does it really matter?
Hellno! If it makes ya happy, WHY NOT? LMAO
Hell, I want aFerrari Testarosa and a farm in Tennessee! Gonna have it one day too...
Well, the farm anyway.
i think it is possible that IF the velocity is kept reasonable that the stress will really be no worse than 45acp+p ammo is already... if you figure a 775-780 fps loading , there should be no problems in a properly made pistol...
ol' john must be laughing himself sick over this one ...
ol' john must be laughing himself sick over this one ...
1911Tuner
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Old John Laffin'
ol' john must be laughing himself sick over this one
Browning or Travis?
ol' john must be laughing himself sick over this one
Browning or Travis?
1911Tuner
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Velocity Stresses
HD said:
i think it is possible that IF the velocity is kept reasonable that the stress will really be no worse than 45acp+p ammo is already
Yeah, but you just know some fool with a loadin' press and a pound of
Unique is gonna try to make a .50 Super as soon as he gets it broke in.
I know I would have about 30 years ago...
HD said:
i think it is possible that IF the velocity is kept reasonable that the stress will really be no worse than 45acp+p ammo is already
Yeah, but you just know some fool with a loadin' press and a pound of
Unique is gonna try to make a .50 Super as soon as he gets it broke in.
I know I would have about 30 years ago...
Marko Kloos
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Hey, bigger holes are better holes.
Looking at my 1911, there's just no way that a round the size of a .50 can fit into that magazine well. It's maxed out with the .45ACP. The magazine well would have to be a tad wider for sure.
Interesting concept. If the ammo was available, and priced at less than $1 per round, it might even take off to some degree.
Looking at my 1911, there's just no way that a round the size of a .50 can fit into that magazine well. It's maxed out with the .45ACP. The magazine well would have to be a tad wider for sure.
Interesting concept. If the ammo was available, and priced at less than $1 per round, it might even take off to some degree.
longtom4570
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I know make it belt fed and you don't have to worry about the round fitting in the mag well
1911Tuner
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Feed it
Lemme see now...A Belt-fed, Browning designed .50 caliber...
It's deja vous all over again!
Brings to mind the .223 SAW...A belt-fed varmint rifle for those
gopher wave attacks.
Tuner<------stands by for an arc light strike with napalm for dessert.
Lemme see now...A Belt-fed, Browning designed .50 caliber...
It's deja vous all over again!
Brings to mind the .223 SAW...A belt-fed varmint rifle for those
gopher wave attacks.
Tuner<------stands by for an arc light strike with napalm for dessert.
It appears to have a normal-width slide and frame. With that in mind the frame must be thinner to accomodate the fatter round. Also with that in mind, a thinner frame and increased stress on the pistol means a much lower life expectancy of the weapon. BTW we've also seen rebated rim cartridges before, such as the now-defunct .41 Action Express. The design plays havoc with reliability.
It looks cool, but like what's been already said it's just a hobbyist's gun. Serious folks will stick with a .45ACP or 10mm 1911.
It looks cool, but like what's been already said it's just a hobbyist's gun. Serious folks will stick with a .45ACP or 10mm 1911.
1911Tuner
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Thin, not fat
dsk said:
It appears to have a normal-width slide and frame.
Sorta lends new meaning to the term "Break" it in...don't it?
Can anybody say...snap, crackle, pop?
dsk said:
It appears to have a normal-width slide and frame.
Sorta lends new meaning to the term "Break" it in...don't it?
Can anybody say...snap, crackle, pop?
WonderNine
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I'm in as long as we've got at least 300gr. bullets doing at least 950fps...
I've liked this idea from the get go.
I've liked this idea from the get go.
Am I the only one that isn't impressed? I like my .45s and they do everything that I need them to.
I think it's a novel idea, but that's where it ends.
I think availability of brass and the general cost of the ammunition would be prohibitive to practicing with it. And on top of that, I really don't want to carry 8 rounds of 250-300 grain bullets all day long.
esheato...
I think it's a novel idea, but that's where it ends.
I think availability of brass and the general cost of the ammunition would be prohibitive to practicing with it. And on top of that, I really don't want to carry 8 rounds of 250-300 grain bullets all day long.
esheato...
Phantom Warrior
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Two questions:
A. Any idea how much this will sell for when it is available?
B. Does anyone make a normal .45 that looks similar to this?
I like the look and wouldn't mind getting a normal .45 that looks like this. Thanks in advance.
A. Any idea how much this will sell for when it is available?
B. Does anyone make a normal .45 that looks similar to this?
I like the look and wouldn't mind getting a normal .45 that looks like this. Thanks in advance.
WonderNine
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I'm looking at this on the standpoint that they can perhaps up the power a bit on big bore non magnums. The old .45ACP is loaded very anemically for its 23mm case in this day and age. I know it has to be because of old pistols and the millions already out there for the .45ACP cartridge, but I'd really like to see someone "modernize" larger bore pistols.
Bigger is not always better ... at least that is what the .357SIG owners tell me when they see me shooting any of my .40S&W caliber guns
Have there been any gelatin tests performed to see how the damage done by the .50GI compares to either the .45ACP or the 10mm?
Have there been any gelatin tests performed to see how the damage done by the .50GI compares to either the .45ACP or the 10mm?
BluesBear
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Marko hit the nail on the head.
Unless you're going to use stripper clips and load it like a Broomhandle Mauser, no .50cal cartridge will fit in a single stack 1911 pattern frame.
Therefor there won't be any conversion units available.
Unless you substantially beef up the pistol the .50cal cartridge would have to remain in the .45acp pressure range. That would mean the velocities would remain in the .45 range or slightly lower.
Would it be able to anything the .45acp can't do except for punch a .05" larger hole?
Unless you're going to use stripper clips and load it like a Broomhandle Mauser, no .50cal cartridge will fit in a single stack 1911 pattern frame.
Therefor there won't be any conversion units available.
Unless you substantially beef up the pistol the .50cal cartridge would have to remain in the .45acp pressure range. That would mean the velocities would remain in the .45 range or slightly lower.
Would it be able to anything the .45acp can't do except for punch a .05" larger hole?
My point exactly. Would it be able to do anything? Yeah, drain your wallet for the conversion kit or the price of a whole new gun.
I just can't get into this gun. You can't reload for it yet, bullet selection is slim unless you're casting for it. Dies? Brass? A lot of questions are as of yet unanswered.
A couple questions come forth. How much power do you want? Where is the line drawn between a non-magnum versus magnum? I'm shooting a .45 Colt that pushes a 300 grn bullet at approx 1000 fps. It's not abusive, but it's not really conducive to fast and accurate shooting as with a .40 or .45. Up the power on big bore non magnums? Reload for it and you can load .45 ACP as hot as you want. I won't stand behind you when you shoot them though.
Anemic? Yes, it is. Manufacturers have to load for the weakest link, but there are plenty of other options. Cor-Bon comes to mind.
As far as modernizing large bore pistols, the only thing I can come up with is the DE. It's a miserable gun to shoot though. Large, clunky and heavy.
There are plenty of large new revolver cartridges. Heck, there's even a thread on here about a snubby .500 S&W. Don't forget about the .480 Ruger or the .454 Casull. There's plenty of power if you need it...just a different platform...
Maybe what I'm trying to understand is what role this pistol would fill? CCW? Handgun hunting? Perhaps I'm not seeing the big picture when I have proven and trusted .45 ACPs.
It just seems like a lot of hassle for .05 increase in bore diameter.
esheato...
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