Update on the GSG 1911.

[Demitrios]

highorder it is a one piece cast.

 

[Eightball]

I don't see a role this could fill that my Kimber's .22 conversion does not. And I would be wary about buying it in order to convert it to a larger calibre, due to the differences in stresses involved.

 

[TomT321]

News?

Ever since I first saw this a picture of this gun, I have been waiting for further word on it. I am on a "wait" list, but have not heard much since the first few posts on the GSG 1911. ANyone got an update?

Thanks
TomT321

 

[Jason_G]

So far I'm thinking it would be wiser to invest in a Marvel kit if you already own a 1911.

Jason

 

[Demitrios]

OK guys, it's been a while but I've just called ATI and they are still waiting on the GSG 1911 to be approved by the ATF and come stateside to them, which should be very soon. They're sale date is estimated to be December of this year (us Jersey boys looking to buy one better put in for our Pistol Purchase Permits now) and the price is now looking to be $360. In another month or two they'll be testing out the 1911's themselves and have a review for them. Good luck and happy shooting boys.

 

[Rex B]

great idea, don't know why none of the other companies are doing this already - except maybe Kimber.

I bought a Ciener Target kit, then bought a bare 1911 frame and built it up with good parts, beavertail etc. I have a nice gun with about $350 invested.

 

[shooter1]

I have a Ceiner conversion for 1911s and an Adavantage Arms conversion for Glocks. One of the advantages to this type of conversion is to have the same feel, operation, and trigger as the centerfire version. Using the centerfire lower for both configurations gives you that. For $300, a Ruger or Browning .22 pistol is light years ahead of a 1911 look-alike that is die cast from who knows what alloy and bolted together. IF, it is approved for import, I predict a lot of "Buyer's Remorse" in the making here!
str1
str1

 

[Demitrios]

All in all it's for the shooters to decide. However you said bolted together, which I assume you mean it's frame is two pieces, but marketing and sales told me otherwise. Plus it's meant to be retrofitted to .45 using whatever slide assembly you choose, so I would imagine (I'm NOT saying this is fact) that it will have a strong enough frame. I have all the specs posted on this post so feel free to look a little more. You'll know what GSG is trying to sell you soon enough and from what I understand not one bad thing has been said about any of their other clones.

 

[DasFriek]

OK i dont see putting this down before it even hits the market,the GSG-5 has been well accepted and liked.
I know lots of people who buy the Walther P22 or the Sig Skeeter and have BIG buyers remorse.Most those people bought them as they looked like a real gun,unlike the space fazers you see alot now in the .22 market.
Also the Armscor frames are cast the same as this also.
IF ITS RELIABLE it would be a big seller imo.
I prefer whole guns over kits as 1.5 guns isnt as good as 2 guns,in most cases anyhow.
Only time will tell and once its here and doesnt work then you can bash it good.

 

[SaMx]

I vaguely remember reading something from an ATI rep somewhere that the gun in the OP is not a working prototype, just a mock-up, and that the actual frame is not two piece.

I can't find it now, so don't hold me to it, but I think I heard something to that effect.

 

[EdLaver]

yup I have to have one of these

 

[shooter1]

I vaguely remember reading something from an ATI rep somewhere that the gun in the OP is not a working prototype, just a mock-up, and that the actual frame is not two piece.

I can't find it now, so don't hold me to it, but I think I heard something to that effect.

Wonder why they would have to make a mock-up? Seems as if there are plenty of 1911 lowers, both cast and forged that might be more representative of the finished product. If indeed the finished product is not two piece. The picture with the two piece lower has got to be negative press to anyone who's ever been in the same zip code with a real 1911. I suspect if this product comes to market, and the picture is representative of the finished product, a few will be sold to the unaware because it "Kinda resembles a 1911". At this point, I think it is dangerous to assume the lower can be used as a 1911 platform. I'll reserve final judgment until such a time as the pistol becomes available. I would welcome a safe, low cost & functional, 1911 style .22. Hope this is it!
str1

 

[inherentical]

I know lots of people who buy the Walther P22 or the Sig Skeeter and have BIG buyers remorse.Most those people bought them as they looked like a real gun,unlike the space fazers you see alot now in the .22 market.

I bought a Sig P220 SAO .22lr and sent off for the .45 conversion. The Sig was available for $400 a few months ago, but I see that they jacked the prices on them. Phew. $489 now.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/28/products_id/56477

Still, it's heck of a nice .22 conversion. Only one I've ever shot that didn't require a lot of tinkering to get to work the right way. There's a gent that makes replacement guide rods, springs, and mag plugs so you can fit 15 rounds of .22 in the mags, too.

https://www.collectors-society-slabs.com/shoppingcart/categories/Sig-Upgrade-Parts-*ORDER/

The .45 conversion is great, came with night sights and a mag.

 

[9mmepiphany]

it's modeled after modern day Colt's

...so are airsoft models of the 1911

as a matter of fact, at first the picture looked like an airsoft

 

[trigga]

very sexy indeed, i'll wait for the reviews on this... wonder what kind of metal they used? hopefully not same as gsg rifles.

 

[Crow1108]

Sounds like a plan.

It's a tough call, though, when you consider you can get, say, a Kimber .22 slide for less. Bear in mind that the slide can be shipped right to your door and you don't have to deal with transfer and shipping fees.

That's what I was thinking. As a stand-alone gun, it's a cool idea, but for those of us with 1911's that we already own and carry, a conversion kit might be a wiser purchase. It's cheaper, it can be ordered through normal means, and it allows you to practice trigger pull with your existing platform.

Don't take this as me knocking this product. If I were in the market for a .22 pistol to plink around with and didn't already own a 1911, I'd be all over this.

 

[Demitrios]

OK, I've done a little more calling around, had a few more questions, a few which could not be answered and a few more that could.

The GSG 1911 will NOT be able to use any .22's except high velocity.
The magazines themselves will be aluminum and crafted by GSG themselves.
The action will work like the Cierners and Kimbers, not like the Marvel where the lower half of the slide is the action while the top half of the slide remains solid.
Surprisingly unlike conversions the slide will remain locked open upon firing the last round as well it utilizes a magazine safety (they intend for this gun to be California legal). Another surprise is that the slide itself is steel and not aluminum.
Since the extractor is external and the frame is supposed to be able to be converted I asked if an internal extractor was included, however the gun smith who developed it was out, more on that to come.
Three pistols have been made and one has been shipped to the U.S. for approval with the BATF and then the DOJ.
The ETA of this pistol is estimated to be around late December which is around the time test firing and reviews will be forthcoming.
It will be making an appearance at the SHOT show next year.

 

[DanielW]

This is good for someone who doesn't have a 1911 yet. For 1911 owners a conversion is a much better value.

 

[gotime242]

i hope a supressor is an options!

 

[wally]

The GSG 1911 will NOT be able to use any .22's except high velocity.

Conversions usually have the same problem, which is why I don't have one.

I think the Chiappa 1911-22 would be a better bet: http://www.1911-22.com/

Gunblast review: http://www.gunblast.com/Chiappa1911-22.htm

In the Gunblast review it worked very well with the cheap Federal bulk pack from Walmart.

Chiappa's web site says spare mags will be $20 which is competitive with other 10 round .22 pistol mags, whereas the conversions usually want ~$35 for spares, another reason I don't have one.

--wally.

 

[shooter1]

My Ceiner unit for 1911s runs fine with the Federal Bulk ammo.
str1

 

[coppermouse]

I would not get one of those airsoft like piece of junk guns, I have and recommend a 22 conversion for a real 1911

 

[Demitrios]

Well someone's an elitist. Apparently you don't read topics before posting either. If you did you would know that it's not an airsoft at all but a 1911 chambered in .22lr. But hey you must know a REAL 1911 when you see one so could you reccomend a REAL .22 conversion kit to go on a REAL 1911?

 

[highorder]

Easy on the hostility there, Demitrios.

By "real" 1911, he was referring to a centerfire, Browning link-actuated handgun.

You are either really excited about this product, or shilling for the product.

To be fair, you're incorrect when you say, "it's...a 1911 chambered in .22lr."

It will most likely be a straight blow-back .22lr, which operates differently than a true 1911. For what they are likely to charge, a conversion kit will be a more economical choice for those that already own 1911 pistols. If this is indeed caliber convertable to centerfire, it might be the a great way to get new shooters into the sport.

But hey, if the product is good, and the price is right people will buy. Either way, if you like it you can buy and enjoy one. Nevermind what anyone else has to say.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

I agree with highorder, Demetrius.

Why are you so aggressively defending a gun you've never even been in the same room with?