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Upgrading existing suppressor on Gamo

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by rodensouth, Jan 26, 2013.

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  1. rodensouth

    rodensouth Member

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    Is it legal for me to use some PVC and epoxy and such to affix a permanent sound moderator on my Gamo Whisper? I don't think the dinky one that came on it does much.

    It's a .22 pellet and louder than I like for backyard practice.

    I know we don't like to discuss air rifles much here, but this is the best spot I know to ask.
     
  2. JohnKSa

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    About half the noise from a spring-piston air rifle is mechanical, not muzzle blast. So a perfectly effective suppressor will only cut the noise by about half.

    If you can build it up piecemeal, directly onto the airgun in such a way that you never have anything that could be defined as a suppressor separate from the air rifle, and insure that as you build it, it is affixed progressively throughout the process in a manner as to make removal impossible without destroying it completely, you might be able to avoid breaking any laws.

    That would mean that you never had a suppressor separate from the airgun (where it could meet the legal definition of a silencer), and by the time it could be reasonably called a silencer, it was already permanently part of an airgun and therefore not legally a silencer since it can't be affixed to a firearm.

    Of course, that's just me talking common sense. It's the BATF that will ultimately make the call. It would be worth asking them in writing with a fairly detailed explanation of how you plan to proceed.
     
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    Thanks John that sounds reasonable. I was only considering the legality of suppressing the air gun, not the possibility of creating something they might consider a separate unit.

    Contacting them is likely the thing to do.
     
  4. Fred in Wisc

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    Pretty sure an airgun isn't considered a firearm, otherwise they would not be able to sell it with the supressor without all the extra paperwork and a tax stamp.
     
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    I was considering something similar to this a while ago and posted it here on THR. The general consensus was that the act of building the suppressor onto the airgun still potentially made the pieces-to-be-affixed silencer parts in the eyes of the ATF. The only way to know for sure is to send them a letter.
     
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    It isn't, but suppressed airguns typically have integral suppressors that can not be removed without destroying them.
    You'd have to be pretty careful about things, I certainly wouldn't collect all the parts and then begin working. I'd build it up a piece at a time, acquiring a piece at a time and installing that piece permanently before acquiring the next piece.
    That's the bottom line.
     
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    By that line of reasoning, wouldn't an integrally suppressed weapon of any kind where the suppressor is a part of the gun itself be legal without the tax stamp? I'm hopeful, but wary.
     
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    No. If the suppressor is on a firearm or can be attached to a firearm in some way, it's an NFA item.

    The reason Gamo can put them on airguns without regulation is because they're a permanent, non-removable part of something that is NOT a firearm and the suppressor of the airgun cannot be removed from the airgun and affixed to a firearm without damaging or destroying it.
     
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    Ah, I see. Too bad. There is an integrally supressed 77/22 I'd like to get, but of course I'd have to be out of IL first. Guess ill have to pony up for the tax stamp after all.
     
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