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Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Deymonay, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. Deymonay

    Deymonay Member

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    Hey y'all, I am in the market for a new scattergun. Mainly hunt dove and quail, but would love to get into squirrel hunting soon. Anyway, does anyone have a SxS 410 that they can recommend? I currently hunt with a 12g 870 and I want to ditch the extra weight!

    Thanks in advance and shoot straight!
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  2. kudu
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    kudu Moderator Staff Member

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    One of the least inexpensive brands that is still a decent shotgun, is the CZ brand, and they will still be around $1000. Go on up from there. There are cheap inexpensive guns, that can be had for $400 or a little more, but most have the feel and swing characteristics of a 2x4.

    If you have your heart set on a SxS, those are about your only options. I have an 870 Wingmaster in .410, and also an 1100 in .410 as well as the CZ SxS .410, although mine was made before CZ took over it is actually a Huglu, still made in Turkey. You might luck into a used small gauge gun somewhere if you hunt diligently.
     
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  3. George P

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    What's your budget and what volume of shooting do you anticipate?

    There are many SxS available in .410, but quality guns won't be $500 or even $1K

    Here's a wide selection:

    https://www.gunsinternational.com/advanced-search-results.cfm?cdn_bp=1
     
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  4. Sappyg2.0

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    I dont want to sound like a fan boy but I would suggest you look at Yildiz from academy sport. Handles more like a 1x4 than a 2x4 and fit and finish is quite good for the money. A SXS in 410 is around the 450 mark without ejectors and has mechanical trigger. I haven't seen one on the rack lately and I doubt you find one on the used market. As with most 410s there just aren't many choices even on the budget side.

    Have you looked at the mossberg 500 in 410? Very handy for hunting also and I've seen them just over 250 bills at Walmart lately. Mine broke one of the extractors and was unreliable. Try finding an extractor for a 410 mossberg sometime. No easy task but I liked the gun all the same even though I moved it on.
     
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  5. Milkmaster

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    Ditch the .410 idea and go with 28ga. You will be glad you did :)
     
  6. DocRock

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    Agree on 28 ga over .410. The former is a much more versatile gun and ammo isn’t really any more expensive. The Huglu made CZ SxS field guns are the bottom end of reliable guns, ie they are likely reliable enough for field use. The Dickinson brand BLE (made by AKUS also in Turkey) are a significant step-up in quality and can be found for about $1800 with a patient eye.

    Or, nothing to do with me, just spotted on GB, no reserve and currently at $1500, a rather nice looking Ugartechea

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/830549783
     
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  7. Deymonay

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    Thanks for all of the replies! I'd like to keep it under 2k, but could stretch it to 2.5k if it makes a worthwile difference. As far as 410 vs 28g, how is steel ammo availability? All hunting in CA is now lead free. I'm not necessarily deadset on a SxS but it is definitely high on the "wants" list. Thanks again!
     
  8. DocRock

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    For $2.5Kyou can get a very nice 7 pin H&H pattern sidelock (same as the Kimber Valier) from AKUS, a used AyA, or a nice Uggie.

    For lead free ammo, while the Dickinson guns are steel rate, for example, you’ll be happier with Bismuth which is relatively affordable.
     
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  9. Armored farmer

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    You could find a nice break open single barrel for a fraction of the cost of a sxs. Pick your favorite gauge.
     
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  10. eastbank

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    I,d go with a 20ga , dove shells run about 5.00 a box at Walmart. I have two double barrels and two o/u,s in 20ga and find them better killers for me. I also have a 410 and a 28 ga in 870 express,s and do use them, but not much.
     
  11. Riomouse911

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    The 12 and 20 get all the love; less expensive ammo, much wider selection of guns and factory shells, etc.

    The 16, 28 and .410 bore all have fewer gun options, harder to find and more expensive factory ammo... but I find them much more fun to shoot.

    If you really want a sub-gauge to hunt with I will third the 28 gauge over a .410. The little 2.5” and 3” sticks are expensive and the shot patterns in all the .410 guns I’ve fired just doesn’t seem to compare to the other larger diameter shells. Maybe the shot column is too strung out, or just fires too small a payload, who knows.

    I have 12,16,20,28 and .410 shotguns to pick from, in semi, OU and pump actions (the one SxS is a 16 ga coach gun style) My 1100 .410 is fun to plink with and can really challenge anyone shooting hand-thrown clays. But if I’m going after upland birds or small game with a sub gauge, the 28 Red Label or BPS would be walking with me. :thumbup:

    Stay safe.
     
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  12. Deymonay

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    This forum is awesome! Thank you for all the replies. As far as the recommendations for a 20g, I appreciate the insight, I do have a 20 as well as multiple 12's. I am looking for a sub gauge gun to tote around for fun on days that I don't feel the need to seriously hunt. Some days, bumming around in the upland fields is a much needed break from the effort and focus needed when hunting big game. I am now exploring 28g options.
    Thanks again everyone!!!

    --Deymonay
     
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  13. Frostbite

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    After having seen a fellow shooter use his 28 gauge (it was an over and under) to shoot sporting clays and five stand, I too would be led to recommend it over the .410 bore for any serious hunting endeavor. However, for strictly squirrel scattering, I myself have been fancying the smallest of the two in side by side configuration for a moment now. This idea has not left me -quite unfortunately, I must admit- but I have come to consider the 20 gauge side by side more of a realistic proposition in terms of usability, especially with regards to versatility and ammo choice ; I do not yet reload.
    I must underline, for alien citizens like most on this forum to better understand such a dramatic change in my point of view, that our good government, in its infinite wisdom, has miserably failed last Spring to pass a bill finally allowing us to hunt the little tree rats. Apparently, some vegan tree huggers said it would be bad for the ecosystem to eliminate a few rodents which, if memory serves, were introduced in America by Europeans.
    For myself, not quite in the same budget range as O.P., Yildiz shotguns are very appealing. I suspect them to be of adequate quality for the occasional walk in the forest on which they would accompany me, most likely for the rest of my life, and maybe even for my heir's.
     
  14. George P

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    Uggies are vastly under-rated
     
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