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URGENT: Action needed NOW in Illinois

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Trent, Mar 14, 2013.

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  1. sota

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    what address do you want the 53' box truck full of Mallox sent to?
     
  2. Trent

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    Haha. This keeps up I'll have to name my ulcers.

    Rumor from the Capitol is we rattled their cages HARD this morning. Between the NRA-ILA, ISRA, Illinois Carry, and grassroots efforts thousands of calls and e-mails all hit Springfield in a short period of time.

    They certainly know that we aren't asleep anymore.

    Whether they care... that's what remains to be seen.
     
  3. Jeff White

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    They can't maintain their majority without the downstate democrats. And it's starting to look like any downstate democrat who votes for any of this is going to be prime picking on election day.

    Imagine Illinois without Mike Madigan in the speaker's chair....I like the sound of that but I don't think the machine does....The want to take our guns...but they want to stay in power more....
     
  4. Trent

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    Illinois without Mike Madigan in the speaker's chair? Things might actually get accomplished for a change.

    I have absolutely zero respect for him. None whatsoever. And it's not only due to the gun rights thing. He is an all-around turd of a politician.

    One thing to keep in mind, without those downstate democrats being on our side, we'd be lost in a sea of anti-gun legislation. So when they DO vote for us, we have to thank them by voting for them.
     
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    Without the downstate democrats we would be a Brady A+ state. Illinois would make New York, New Jersey and California look 2d Amendment paradises.

    I voted for Kurt Grandberg against republican opponents until he decided to retire simply because of his pro 2A stand. His position as Majority Whip stopped a lot of the insanity.
     
  6. Trent

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    The problem is a lot of these people get elected in the off-year elections. When there's a big presidential election you see massive voter turnout - better than 65% in Tazewell county, and over 60% across the state. But in the off years (when a lot of representative seats change hands) you only see 17-22% voter turnout, state wide.

    If 50% of the registered voters are gun owners, and we can get 50% of those to get off their lazy butts and vote, we would (cumulatively) amount to 25% of the general election vote.

    With state averages in the 17-22% range, we'd DESTROY the anti-gunners in most places. We'd still get our butts handed to us in counties that restrict firearms extensively, Cook, etc.. but if we could gain enough of the districts to override a governor veto, it would be smooth sailing.

    It's just a matter of statistics, and getting people to take the time to check a few boxes.
     
  7. Trent

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    More responses.

    Here's my rep's response:

    Another:

    And a non-commital.

     
  8. C0untZer0

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    This is much different than the Colorado mag cap / mag ban fight.

    The Chicago democratic machine is basically making exploratory attacks, then they analyze where they failed to re-formulate a plan, shore up their weaknesses - apply pressure to reps who might go either way. The speaker of the house and one of the top dogs in the Illinois dem party then gets out the carrots and the stick and applies either as necesary.

    If their attack had worked this afternoon, they would have forged ahead in making the mag cap / mag ban a poison pill to the CCW law, and they would also have tried to just push ahead with it as it's own law...

    It is maddening fighting this fight with them because the Second Amendment and right-to-self-defense advocates have to win each and every time - the gun grabbers only have to win once.
     
  9. Trent

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    Yeah, this isn't at all like New York or Colorado, that just blitzed something right through.

    We're being attacked over.. and over.. and over.. and over again.

    Each time they try to sneak something through (always at the last minute), it gets more difficult to motivate people to pick up the phones, or send e-mail, to say the same thing over and over again.

    One would have hoped that after the fantastic showing we had at iGOLD this year the anti-gunners would throw in the towel. I know.. I know.. wishful thinking. :)

    Latest word leaked from anti-gun staffers is the Chicago Machine is seriously considering poisoning ALL concealed carry bills. Heck, they just did that with Amendment 40 on 1156 (by introducing a requirement to keep guns unloaded / locked at home, they guarantee a Heller-based dismissal if it does get signed to law).

    Why they'd poison their own bill is beyond me. It's almost like they're trying to think of 99 different ways to flip the 7th circuit the bird before the deadline hits.

    One thing is for sure, they're testing ALL of the waters to see if they have ANY leverage to get a strong shall-issue bill watered down to their taste.

    Unfortunately it means they're attacking across the board from every conceivable angle. Million dollar insurance policies. Ridiculous storage requirements. Bans on transporting any firearms in vehicles. And so on.

    They're throwing every idea, regardless of how stupid, at the wall to see if anything sticks.
     
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    From Rep Tim Schmitz:

     
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    Update From Todd Vandermyde sent via ISRA:

     
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    Ok. This is funny.

    Uhh....
     
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    OK she re-sent it with the correct message body. :)

    The PDF attachment reads:

     
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    Tom Cross:

     
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    Marty Moylan

     
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    I just got the same email only it had my name on it instead of yours this time. ;)

    Got this reply from Tom Cross:

    And this from Josh Harms:

     
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    Tvandermyde, on 15 March 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:
    Looks like no gun stuff today
     
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    I REALLY like that response from Josh Harms, that's good.
     
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    And for those of you who think the reps themselves don't read these:

     
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    Rep Davismeyer

     
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    Mike Unes is my rep. He's usually pretty good about getting back with me, but not yesterday.

    I really like Josh harms reply also!

    Glad to see that they "say" no gun stuff today.
     
  22. Trent

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    You shouldn't have anything to worry about with Unes, he's on our side. :)

    To a particularly anti-gun representative, I sent this. It was about the hardest language I felt I could use, while maintaining a level of civility.

    (I keep bringing up the C&R thing to maintain a level of "The Federal Government SAYS so".... and if you ever looked at what is allowed under a C&R license, you'd understand why I am pushing this angle. There's artillery pieces on that list. As well as just about every military weapon named, which has been used in a theater of war.)
     
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    Oh, don't get me wrong. I know Unes is on the right side of this. My emails and calls to him are usually more of a thank you and keep up the good fight sort. He's usually good about responding and filling me in on what's going on.
     
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    Oh definitely, it's a good thing on many levels. A thankless job, sucks (I deal with that every single day!).

    That, and it lets them know we're watching. :)
     
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    Madigan's response to the SEC charging Illinois with fraud for lying about the state of the pensions in their bond solicitations was: "We are paying the bondholders and we are paying the interest - there are no victims"

    So I wonder if he would accept "my so called assault rifle or standard capacity magazine didn't shoot anyone so there was no victim, how can there be a crime?" as a defense. I think not.....
     
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