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URGENT in WA State: Anti-Gun Hearing THIS TUESDAY. Please Read!!!!!!!

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  1. MOAMike

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    Guys,
    This is an extremely important piece of information that I received from a Republican Legislator who I know personally. It's frightening, so let's try and do something about this before it's too late!!!! Pass it on to every gun owner you know in WA. Send it to the NRA, GOA, and every other organization you know of. Call your legislator and tell them "Hell No!".

    This is serious.
    Mike

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    This is urgent, I was contacted this afternoon for help in spreading the word on this issue from a state lobbyist, on a scale from 1-10 this is a ten, remember that both houses are controlled in Olympia now by Democrats.

    Some of you may know that I serve on a couple of Washington Sportsmen boards, and even as a hunter this issue concerns me. Let’s show support and unity and tell these elected officials that have no common sense no on the following issues. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

    What: Hearing on firearms issues Tuesday January 25,2005

    Where: Senate hearing Room 1 J.A. Cherberg Building Olympia Wa.

    Time: 3:30PM



    The following bills have a hearing on them:

    · Fifty caliber ban of 2005 (S-0541.1)

    · SB 5343 Regulating the sale of firearms at gun show and events (background checks on trading, selling, and requiring a federal firearms license, also a fee paid to the state patrol for the transaction)

    · SB 5342 Encouraging safe storage of firearms ( owner can be prosecuted if a child (under16) gains access to a loaded firearm)

    · Assault weapons ban of 2005 (S-0230.2) (I have been told this covers all semi-auto riffles, at this time it is not on the state website in detail) mini 14, Ruger 10-22, etc. matches this description which is used by hunters also.

    I was also informed that they need bodies to show up to this hearing, it was put as one of the most anti gun movement biggest moves in over a decade in Washington. If you cannot attend please call 1-800-562-6000 and tell your legislator NO on these bills. We need to show support or these will pass and others to follow in future years. Do I need to say California, Canada, etc.
     
  2. abaddon

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    I went to the Washington State Legislature's home page and searched for "firearms" under the find a bill search engine. Here's what I found

    http://www.leg.wa.gov/wsladm/billinfo1/billsearch.cfm?Searchterm=firearms

    No mention of a .50 caliber ban or anything like an assault weapon ban. Can you give me any other means of verification? I can't make it to the meeting and I'm not going to call/write my state senator unless I have definite information. "Some guy on the internet told me..."

    Regarding the "gun show loophole" bill and the safe ownership bill:

    Washington Arms Collectors is the only gun show in Washington and they require background checks in order to become a member. Only members can buy firearms. Doesn't this make the bill meaningless or does the bill require a background check for each transaction?

    The safe ownership bill seems to be a good one to me. It doesn't apply if it was locked up or if the gun was acquired through breaking and entering. If your kids aren't responsible around firearms and you still fail to lock them up then there should be penalties involved.

    Jeff

    [edited for clarity]
     
  3. MOAMike

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    Dig a little deeper before you cast it off as BS........ Here's what you're looking for......

    Washington Arms Collectors is the only gun show in Washington and they require background checks in order to become a member. Only members can buy firearms. Doesn't this make the bill meaningless or does the bill require a background check for each transaction?

    If you read the actual bill, it states that ANYONE who sells or trades a firearm at a show (any show) MUST BE A LICENCED FIREARMS DEALER. That is very different than what is in place now. All you have to do to sell or trade a firearm there is to be a member, NOT an FFL Holder. Big difference.

    And, read further at: http://www.leg.wa.gov/committees/storage/wcss/original/weekly%5Fsched%5F01%2D24%2D05%2Ehtm

    It states: Judiciary

    Senate Full Committee Senate Hearing Rm 1 1/25/05 3:30 pm TVW

    J. A. Cherberg Building

    Olympia, WA



    Public Hearing:

    1. SB 5131 - Revising provisions concerning possession of firearms by persons found not guilty by reason of insanity.

    2. Sale of firearms at gun shows (S-0192.1).

    3. Safe storage of firearms (S-0191.1).

    4. Fifty caliber gun ban of 2005 (S-0541.1).

    5. Assault weapons ban of 2005 (S-0230.2).

    6. Renewing a concealed pistol license by members of the armed forces (S-0032.1).



    Possible executive session on bills heard in committee. Other business.



    Senate Full Committee Senate Hearing Rm 1 1/26/05 3:30 pm

    J. A. Cherberg Building

    Olympia, WA



    I'll tell you this much, if you simply say that it's okay to legislate "safe keeping" laws and others, you have given them free reign to make other changes as they see fit. Someday you'll wake up and find your rights gone.

    Mike
     
  4. pax

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    abaddon ~

    Oh, it's true all right. This came from Joe Waldron, of the Gun Owner's Action League.

    I'll be at the meeting, and hope you will be too.

    pax

     
  5. abaddon

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    Like I said, I can't make the meeting but I'll be writing a letter tomorrow.

    Jeff
     
  6. pax

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    Everyone ~


    If you live in Washington, and there's any way at all you can be at the hearing ... please do come.


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    Jeff ~

    Writing is a good idea. :) Writing and calling -- even better.

    I figure part of the reason they are rushing this through is because they figure the last-minute crush is going to keep gun owners away. Not to mention SHOT Show next week taking a good portion of the attention of everyone in the industry.

    Just so you know -- it's not.

    pax
     
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    Make that call and write.

    Just so I don't sound stupid, though, does anyone have any statistics about the fact that assault weapons are almost never used in crime? Washington Cease Fire (http://www.washingtonceasefire.org/lobbygroup.asp) has a "fact sheet" on their website that throws out a bunch of Brady Center statistics. :banghead:
    I won't have time to do much research before the meeting so if someone has it handy that would be great.

    Jeff

    PS: Pax, what's the other gun show?
     
  8. carnaby

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    Damn! If this was not Tuesday I could make it. I wrote the following to my three dem legislators

    I've just become aware that the state legislature is considering a new assault weapons ban. I find this to be highly disconcerting. I am an avid shooting sports member and I strongly support the second amendment of the united states constitution. Of course, the purpose of the second amendment has nothing to do whatsoever with hunting and sporting. It is primarily there to safeguard each individual American's right to arms in defense of liberty from the tyranny of the state or any other potential oppressor.

    As such, the types of weapons with "military features" that are being considered in the ban are exactly the types of arms the Framers intended to protect. Contrary to the notions of gun-control groups like the Brady Campaign and the Violence Policy Center, these types of weapons are used in an insignificant number of crimes compared to other types of weapons. The United States Department of Justice and the FBI have both made this very clear. The recently expired federal ban on so-called assault weapons had no impact whatsoever on crime, but did infringe on the constitutionally protected rights of American citizens.

    Most pro gun-rights citizens recognize these types of bans, which are primarily cosmetic with little plausible potential impact on crime, as another step down the slippery slope that inevitably leads to total gun confiscation, as was the case in England.

    As your constituent, I ask that you please act against any gun-control measures that involve banning certain types of firearms or include gun registration. It is no surprise that the states with the most criminal violence (NY, NJ, IL, CA) also have the most gun control. Gun control does not work, and only disarms the law abiding majority among us.

    I am fully in favor of extremely tough laws and sentences for criminal use of firearms. The record has shown that tough laws, sentences, and strong enforcement of these laws is the best deterrent to gun violence. Additionally, before any mention of the DC snipers, the fact that they used a so-called "assault weapon" was preferable to them using my grandpa's old .30-06 hunting rifle, which is much more powerful, accurate at long range, and cheaper than the Bushmaster rifle used by the criminals. The three people who survived the attacks probably would not have, had the snipers used a proper hunting rifle.

    Sincerely,​

    I doubt it will help, considering the county I'm in, but there it is.

    A couple questions... if they try to move this bill forward, will there be more public hearings and the like? Under current state law, are CCW holders allowed to bring their concealed handguns into the legislature or wherever it is that they hold these public meetings?

    If there is another hearing, maybe some of us Seattle residents could carpool together, it's quite a trip, and I need to take the time off work to go.

    :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss:
     
  9. pax

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    Jeff ~

    Collectors West (I think they're the same people who put on the Rose City shows in Portland). There's one fairly often at the SW Washington Fairgrounds in Chehalis/Centralia.

    Carnaby ~

    Good letter.

    pax
     
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    Wow, good luck to you Washingtons...
    Where is that survey that concluded less than 1% of criminals got their guns from gun shows? I could really use this lately. Darn antis I choose to hang out with. *sigh*
     
  11. abaddon

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    Wrote a letter to Jim Kastama. I can't post the whole thing here due to technical difficulties but basically I had three points.

    The timing of this bill suggests that they are trying to sneak it by - that is a mark against its popularity

    Assault weapons have a legitimate purpose - protection against home invasion

    The statistics cited by www.washingtonceasefire.org are bogus
    compare www.washingtonceasefire.org/lobbygroup.asp
    to www.nraila.org//issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=118

    I won't be able to call because I need to get to bed, graveyard shift and all. I'm not good on the phone anyway.

    Regards,

    Jeff
     
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    *shakes head*


    Hopefully this won't go too terribly far.......historically anti-gun bills haven't had great success in this state. Nonetheless it's time to draft up some emails.......
     
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    Does anyone have a list of the committe members? I'd like to know if any of my reps actually sit on this committee.
     
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    Good luck, our bunch of elected morons just got into session. Who knows what kind of mischief they'll come up with.
     
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    May I please borrow the gist of this?

     
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    absolutely
     
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    Thank you. :)
     
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    This is VERY important.

    From today's GOAL Alert, by Joe Waldron:
    Two separate gun bans, a "gun show loophole" bill, and a safe storage act. You military guys are going to be affected by one of the bills, too.

    Reason enough to meet at the hearing, I say.

    pax
     
  20. carnaby

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    The bill is up, SB 5475

    go have a look, I'm reading it right now :fire:

    SB 5475
     
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    they actually use the word registration.

    the sheriff is going to come to my house once a year? they're going to charge an undisclosed amount for registration and a yearly background check?

    I have to give up my regular capacity magazines? are you freaking kidding me?
     
  22. carnaby

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    Here's the definition of an assault weapon, pretty stupid
    (18) "Assault weapon" means:
    (a) Any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-action rifle or shotgun that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine, with a capacity to accept more then ten rounds of ammunition and that also possesses any of the following:
    (i) If the firearm is a rifle or shotgun, a pistol grip located rear of the trigger;
    (ii) If the firearm is a rifle or shotgun, a stock in any configuration, including but not limited to a thumbhole stock, a folding stock or a telescoping stock, that allows the bearer of the firearm to grasp the firearm with the trigger hand such that the web of the trigger hand, between the thumb and forefinger, can be placed below the top of the external portion of the trigger during firing;
    (iii) If the firearm is a pistol, a shoulder stock of any type or configuration, including but not limited to a folding stock or a telescoping stock;
    (iv) A barrel shroud;
    (v) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator;
    (vi) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the hand that is not the trigger hand;
    (b) Any pistol that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip;
    (c) Any semiautomatic pistol, any semiautomatic, center-fire rifle, or any shotgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition;
    (d) Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine;
    (e) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder;
    (f) Any conversion kit or other combination of parts from which an assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of any person.
    (19) "Detachable magazine" means a magazine, the function of which is to deliver one or more ammunition cartridges into the firing chamber, which can be removed from the firearm without the use of any tool, including a bullet or ammunition cartridge.
    (20) "Barrel shroud" means a covering, other than a slide, that is attached to, or that substantially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm and that allows the bearer of the firearm to hold the barrel with the nonshooting hand while firing the firearm, without burning that hand, except that the term does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel that does not substantially or completely encircle the barrel.
    (21) "Muzzle brake" means a device attached to the muzzle of a weapon that utilizes escaping gas to reduce recoil.
    (22) "Muzzle compensator" means a device attached to the muzzle of a weapon that utilizes escaping gas to control muzzle movement.
    (23) "Conversion kit" means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into an assault weapon.​

    And then some crap about what you cannot do, like the following:

    (2) No person in this state shall possess or have under his or her control at one time both of the following:
    (a) A semiautomatic or pump-action rifle, semiautomatic pistol, or shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine; and
    (b) Any magazine capable of use with that firearm that contains more than ten rounds of ammunition. ​

    These ???????s have really pissed me off. It seems to me that they've tried to bite off more than they can chew, and that this bill really has no hope. But just in case, we need to fight this piece of garbage.

    the funny thing is, from what I gather you'd be able to own a regular-cap magazine, but just not load it past 10 rounds, except at a range or competition.

    :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire:
     
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    I like how this isn't in ANY of the papers!

    How would they know that I have an "assault weapon" at my house if I didn't register it, hmm????
     
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    I have only heard it mentioned in one media outlet 770 KTTH on their 0500 program. :uhoh:
     
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    they'd know if your neighbor or some other GFW turned you in.
     
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