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US Army Raises Enlistment Age

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  1. hank327

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    You can now join the US Army at 40 years of age.

    http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read.html?id=5975

    US Army raises enlistment age to 40

    Reader count for this story: 2556


    WASHINGTON, Jan 18, 2006 (PG) - The US Army said Wednesday it has raised its maximum enlistment age from 35 to 40 years old and is doubling signing up bonuses to a high of 40,000 dollars.

    The measures are the latest in a series of steps the army has taken over the past year to offset a slump in recruiting as it faces ongoing campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The army failed to hit its recruiting goal of 80,000 new recruits in fiscal 2005. Recruiting figures have since improved but the the war in Iraq has made it difficult to meet the demand for fresh soldiers.

    Army Secretary Francis Harvey, however, denied charges that the army is a "broken force," telling reporters it has met its recruiting goals in the last seven months with the help of bonuses and other incentives.

    But he acknowledged that recruiting remains "a month-to-month thing".

    "As I said, the rest of the year looks promising. But we're certainly not going to sit on our laurels," he said.

    Raising the maximum age for enlistments "expands the recruiting pool, provides motivated individuals an opportunity to serve, and strengthens the readiness of army units," the army said in a statement.

    The army is raising the maximum cash enlistment bonuses to 40,000 dollars for the active duty army, and 20,000 dollars for the army reserve, doubling the current maximums.

    Older recruits are entitled to the same signing bonuses as younger ones, the army said.

    "Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of military service generally make excellent soldiers based on their maturity, motivation, loyalty, and patriotism," the army said.

    What do y'all think about this? Is this an act of desperation on our part?
    If the age limit continues to rise, I'll soon be able to reenlist!
     
  2. Biker

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    This is getting sad. Ah, but there is Iran to consider...:uhoh:
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  3. MCgunner

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    I'm SOL unless they raise it to 55 or something.:D Shesh, I don't know if I could have handled basic when I was 40. I wasn't totally gone physically, but I was getting there. But, then, crashing race bikes at 100+ mph will do that to you.:rolleyes: My right shoulder is totally messed up. I'd blow myself up trying to chunk a grenade. :scrutiny: I'll never play soft ball, put it that way.
     
  4. bg

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    When you find out, let me know..
    I'm up close to you too. I know I'd not make it in Basic now.
    It was't all that much fun back in 73, but it was one of the
    best things that happened to me. I guess the Army could
    always use us old farts for IED probes before the youngin's
    go in if need be. J/K, but I've heard in other times enemy
    caught were set out to "find" mines. I don't know.

    I DO know this: Bless our troops !
     
  5. Dave Markowitz

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    Eeesh. Next thing we'll have the US Army Volksturm. :uhoh:
     
  6. bogie

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    I can shoot, and chunk grenades. It's the "run away" part that I have problems with...

    Dang, but the knees really were turned on today...
     
  7. Reddog1

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    Mayby I should not be writting this because I'm 65 and so called over the hill.
    BUT, I can still pop a bullseye at a 100 yds and plus. And remember our
    forefathers were not all 18 to 35 yrs old. This country got is freedom by the
    want and desire of men and women of all ages. No one told them they were to old and not needed. No , I could not take basic at my age, and ,yes the younger could and would out do me. BUT, leave me with my M14, and I and
    many like me, would show this world that, YES, FREEDOM STILL RINGS....
    may OUR HIGHER POWER grant us the will to go on and protect our way of life. Some in our goverment don't remember us and what we did. G*d help
    them.:banghead:

    PS, I, for one am tired of being surplus! :neener: :cuss: :fire:
     
  8. White Horseradish

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    Or ADF. But if we did that, we'd have to pull it inside our borders...

    Hmm...
     
  9. Lobotomy Boy

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    I'm still a few years too old for the cut. Besides, like McGunner, I too effed myself up crashing racebikes at 100+ (way over 100+: I went down in Brainerd's Turn One). Except for the arthritis, I'm in pretty good shape--I can ride a bike 50+ miles, and I can hike all day, day after day, but I can't run 10 feet, which would be a problem.

    I can shoot pretty well, though. I'd probably make a better insurgent than a soldier.
     
  10. Biker

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    I ride a 1949 Harley-kick start only- with high compression pistons, bored, stroked and cammed, so my right leg is probably better than anyone else's right leg now serving active duty - unless they can kick start a Bradley.
    And - don't ask me how I know - I'm still pretty damned good at low-crawling.
    Biker
     
  11. Lobotomy Boy

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    Kick starters are a thing of my past--I shattered my tallar dome when I crashed at Brainerd. One backfire and I'd be looking at having what's left of my right foot amputated.

    If you're interested, I've written a road test of a Victory Hammer in the latest issue of V-Twin magazine. Nice bike.
     
  12. Biker

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    I'll check that bad boy out, Bro.:)
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  13. wingman

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    It would seem our only choice at this time is draft illegal's, as someone
    said they will do the work American don't want.:rolleyes:
     
  14. PCGS65

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    +1 Good point
     
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    It's important to realize the new age is for the active Army. I'm 44 and the local Army National Guard unit has tried to get me to sign up several times in the last couple of years. I have 8 years service now (3.5 Active Army, 4.5 USAR). It was explained to me that you can enlist in the Guard as prior service if you could have 20 years of service by age 65. Something like that. So I could still do it if I wanted to do so. It WOULD be interesting to try out the only Army branch I have no experience with! I have thought about it.

    I told them I was fat and out of shape and they said it didn't matter.:eek:

    Gregg
     
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    i went to join the national guard at 37 and they said i was too old, then they moved the age to 39, but i am 41 now,,,,,,,,,ohh well guess it wasnt in the cards. they should have something for us older guys and gals relating to homeland security reserves or something.........where we can serve under the military in our community. whats everyone els think about that??????
     
  17. Alex45ACP

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    Or we could start focusing on National Defense rather than International Offense. But that makes too much sense.
     
  18. fjolnirsson

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    Just a thought here. There's a reason recruiters tend to chase the high school kids, aside from young boys in need of a career. Youngsters tend to have more, umm, "pliability", a certain tendency to obey orders given by authority. Lots of folks who've already been out in the world, taking care of homes and families are gonna be tough nuts to crack in Basic. How much extra time is it gonna take to try and remold someone who's been his own boss for 20+ years? I'm sure they'll figure it out, but still....
     
  19. beerslurpy

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    Meh, let me know when the US govt trusts its own citizens to bear military arms and make their own life decisions and I will let you know when I am ready to volunteer my services to the empire. I will even bring my own weapons. But first, show me a republic worth fighting for, and a threat worth fighting against. Why should I take orders from my government when they wont take orders from the Constitution?

    Show me a real threat to the nation rather than this terorist puppet theater and I'll show you ten million americans signing up to bear arms. Sure, we are doing a great job in iraq, but what are we doing there in the first place? I think the average person on the street doesnt give a rats ass about iraqis or iraq. What will this do to recruitment rates?

    I think everyone knows that the war in iraq is making military service a high risk, low reward situation. Plus, all the wonderful stories about stop-lossing are really causing people to think long and hard about whether they want in for as long as the army needs them. If youre unsure, joining up could make your life suck.

    A friend of mine joined the AF last year to become a chopper pilot. He was over 30 and they stretched the age limit to make room for him. Have a few other friends and friends of friends who are in the sandbox. The younger ones seem to be ok with it, but anyone who has a family seems to be less than thrilled about it.
     
  20. Basura Blanca

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    According to the article, the army disagrees:

    Apparently young people lack motivation, loyalty and patriotism too.

    Changing the the army's age requirements on the voluntary end is one thing and it's not surprising to me considering the charges of the recent past (e.g. recruiters "bending" recruitment rules to fill enlistment needs). The real indicator of the depth of the doo-doo will be when Selective Service modifies its age requirement window.
     
  21. beerslurpy

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    I dont have any kids. If I say that I'm gay, will they let me stay home from the war in Iran/China/North Korea?

    question 2: will I actually have to prove gayness or can I just pretend lol reverse closet
     
  22. chaim

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    Palerider, there are similar options to what you describe.

    Many states have State Guards (known under several names- State Guard or Defense Force for instance). The specifics may vary from state to state but they are primarily for civil defense and a backup for the National Guard if much of the Guard is on Federal service. They are voluntary (i.e. unpaid) military (sort of) organizations under the authority of the various states.

    NY does have a state guard BTW- http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/nyg/nyg.html

    There is the Civil Air Patrol. For adult members there does not seem to be an upper age limit. They do disaster relief, search and rescue, and other civil defense type missions as an auxiliary to the USAF. http://www.cap.gov/

    If you are interested in boating the Coast Guard Auxiliary might be for you. http://nws.cgaux.org/index.html
     
  23. Lancel

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    Older folks make good recruits

    But then I'm biased.

    Graduated Basic at age 32.
    Graduated Air Assault School at age 51.
    Finally retired at age 53 1/2.

    Thanks USA.

    Larry
     
  24. Cosmoline

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    Better to have old men fight than young ones.
     
  25. No_Brakes23

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    Sounds like the Armed Forces are gettin' desperate. Glad I put my 8 in, already.

    No disrespect to Harley, but it sure is nice to see another American manufacturer giving them some competition, (As opposed to ExHen v2.0 and Indian v2.0). And those Vegas-family bikes sure look sweet.
     
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