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US Defense Department pushing for Illegal Alien Amnesty

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  1. teotwawki

    teotwawki Member

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    http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=46369

    Officials Hope to Rekindle Interest in Immigration Bill Provision
    By Donna Miles
    American Forces Press Service

    WASHINGTON, June 11, 2007 – A senior defense official expressed hope today that a provision in the stalled immigration bill that would have allowed some undocumented aliens to join the military won’t fall off the radar screen.

    The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors, or DREAM, provision in the immigration bill was expected to help boost military recruiting, Bill Carr, acting deputy undersecretary of defense for military personnel policy, said today during a telephone conference with veterans’ group representatives.

    The DREAM provision offered a way for high-achieving children of undocumented or illegal residents to join the military and, ultimately, become citizens, Carr explained.

    “In other words, if you had come across (the border) with your parents, yet you were a minor child and have been in the U.S. school system for a number of years, then you could be eligible to enlist,” he said. “And at the end of that enlistment, then you would be eligible to become a citizen.”

    Because the provision would have applied only to the “cream of the crop” of students who have demonstrated top aptitude, it would have been “very appealing” to the military, Carr said. “It would have been good for readiness,” he said.

    While President Bush returns to Washington to help revive the stalled immigration reform package, Carr said talk is already taking place to see if at least the DREAM provision of the stalled bill can proceed.

    At this point, he said, “we are not sure if the Congress would be interested in resurrecting that segment of the bill.”

    Certain non-citizens have been eligible to enlist in the military since the Revolutionary War. Today, about 35,000 non-citizens serve in the military, and about 8,000 permanent resident aliens enlist every year, said Marine Maj. Stuart Upton, a Pentagon spokesman.

    The 2006 National Defense Authorization Act established uniform citizenship or residency requirements for enlisting in the military. President Bush's executive order allowing non-citizens to apply for citizenship after only one day of active-duty military service remains in effect, Upton said.
     
  2. Oohrah

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    NO DEALS Shut the boarders. Deport all the illegals back to
    prospective countries. Those who wish to enter submit paper
    work and meet requirements to emigrate. Anything less is a
    danger andn an insult:fire::fire::fire:
     
  3. davec

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    The US Military likes a deep pool of available labor as well, who knew.
     
  4. ArmedBear

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    I thought that, in the past, it was a way to get legal residency and a path to citizenship, if you volunteered for the US military.

    Hey, why not?

    That can be put in place, by itself. Doesn't have to be part of any other legislation.
     
  5. teotwawki

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    Do you really want people who cannot speak your language, like at all, policing your street? You know that posse commitatus is basically considered BS by the goobermint at this point right?

    Maybe I'm wearing my tinfoil hat too tight but this does not bode well. In history when empires have to bring in mercenaries from other places to do their bidding it's the beginning of the end....
     
  6. longeyes

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    Wouldn't it be great if the Dept. of Defense knew what it was defending? All I see is career bureaucrats defending their turf and trying to hit quota numbers.
     
  7. lamazza

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    +1 Dick Tylock

    ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS president Smirk!
     
  8. Boats

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    Some of the comments in this thread are just ignorant, and others pretty apt.

    When I was in the Navy in the late 80s, we had a smattering of Filipinos, a guy from Saipan, and a Truk Islander all serving aboard and coming away with the prospect of citizenship in the United States.

    Sure, two of those places were Protectorates of the United States at the time but the Phillipines was not.

    Sure they spoke accented English, but they were understandable.

    Far be it from me to damn a guy who wants to join the tribe and pay more dues to belong than much of the citizenry he hopes to become a part of EVER does.

    Four years' service in the military far outstrips any duty that most "native" Americans bother to offer back to the greatest country on Earth.

    The apt comment is that such a citizenship opportunity need not be a part of any omnibus immigration "reform."

    I'd sooner call an "illegal immigrant" who served alongside me a "brother" than some dimwit grousing about said man's presence in the military from the safety of momma's basement office.

    And since when is earning your keep in service to a country an amnesty? It's not like someone can sneak into the armed forces.
     
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    good post, boats
     
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    They have to come up with warm bodies to feed into the Islamofascist meat grinder somehow, and there aren't enough Americans willingly signing up...
     
  11. Boats

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    That'd be a failure of Army marketing. The other three services have hit their goals with boring regularity.
     
  12. tube_ee

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    Tell it, brother...

    Good on 'ya, Boats.

    We had Filipinos, a couple of Nigerians, and many others on my ship. Whether they were citizens or not when they shipped out, I don't know, and it doesn't matter. What I do know is that by the time their term was up, they had proved their loyalty to this country, and their worthiness to be citizens of it, far more than any number of native-born citizens who sat on their butts, reaping all of the benefits of being an American, but paying none of the costs. Except taxes, which they likely complained about.

    Anybody, no matter where they're from, who's willing to pledge their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" to this country for 8 years, has earned the right to be called an American. Maybe more should be given that chance?

    -Shannon
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    When I was in the Cav we had a few Pillipinos that were damn good soldiers, no doubt. Keep in mind that they didn't have Mara Salvatrucha tatoos either...

    Times have changed.
     
  14. Autolycus

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    Well teotwawki remember who created Mara Salvatrucha soldiers.

    I am sorry but we should go back to the original immigration laws when this country was founded, just swear allegiance to the US. If it can work for gun laws it can work for immigration laws.
     
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    I wonder if Emperor Honorius, when he was watching the Huns cross the 7th Hill, knew the Empire was about to fall.....
     
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    Sure if they come here legal or agree to join the military prior to entering
    the country. I served also but I do not believe "illegal immigrants" should be
    allowed to enter the service.
     
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    Tecumseh,

    You never answered my question from a previous debate "how will bringing in 10s of millions of low-skill/low-wage 3rd worlders help reduce the welfare state"?
     
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    Well I want to know why they do not have the same rights as others who came into the country? Why is it so costly to become a US citizen it prohibits immigrants from doing it? When this country was founded it did not cost anything? Why cant we go back to that?

    So Count Glockula how did it hurt to let the Irish and Italians to come here? What about the Dutch and Germans? What about the Polish and Eastern Europeans? The Chinese and Japanese?

    Cheap labor is good for the economy.
     
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    Why is it so costly to become a US citizen it prohibits immigrants from doing it?

    Uhhh, because of the welfare state that has been built up.

    When this country was founded it did not cost anything? Why cant we go back to that?

    Yeah, back then there was no welfare state, if you didnt work you starved, there bottom wiping by the Feds.

    Should I assume you've never done algebra?
     
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    Did you mean Glock Glockler?

    Know your target. ;)
     
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    Cheap labor is generally good for the economy. However, once the illegal aliens are granted some form of legal status, minimum wage laws will have to apply to them, too.

    Poof, no more cheap labor.

    Unless you want to suggest that minimum wage laws don't apply to legal, guest workers. If that's the case, minimum wage laws make it undesireable for American companies to actually hire American citizens.

    So, maybe the end result of giving amnesty to illegal aliens is the necessary repeal of minimum wage laws so that low skilled American labor can compete with low skilled guest worker labor for increasingly smaller wages.

    But to do that, we would also have to dispose to welfare and assistance programs, otherwise it simply isn't worth it to actually work as doing nothing can actually pay better.

    Of course, maybe the answer is simple. Illegal aliens are illegal. Hiring them is illegal. Sheltering them is illegal. Using someone else's SSN# to get a job is identity theft, as is illegal. The simple answer is to send them home, or make things so painful for them here that they want to leave.
     
  22. teotwawki

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    Yep when my grandparents came through Ellis Island there was no support net that cost gazillions of bucks a year. Sink or swim. Do away with the giveaways and I betya we wouldn't have this problem to begun with...

    Nevermind that the illegal's support structure paid by us is basically corporate welfare...
     
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    It's not defending anything but its own vast power and wealth.
     
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    But I would bet that they entered the country, and subsequently the Navy, through legal channels.

    I have no problems with foreign nationals entering our country LEGALLY. Nor do I take issue with them enlisting in our armed forces by proper means, be it entering the country on a "green card" and then enlisting, or agreeing to enlist prior to entering the country.

    Fast-tracking the process for illegal immigrants in unequitable to all the people that have endured the bureaucratic red tape and jumped through the hoops to get here legally, and those patiently waiting for their opportunity to do the same.
     
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    Uhhh, hate to tell you there boats, but those folks were all nationals (or maybe citizens) already. For our purposes, nationals have the same rights as citizen anyway, although Filipinos are no longer considered nationals.

    However, the military has always had resident aliens in service. I served with a Brit and an Aussie who were legal US residents.
     
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