US lawmaker sees border 'war' with renegade Mexican troops

[Rusher]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/09/060209141914.vit6days.html


US lawmaker sees border 'war' with renegade Mexican troops
Feb 09 9:19 AM US/Eastern
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A Colorado lawmaker said there was a "war" under way along the US-Mexico border and urged President George W. Bush to deploy troops there, alleging drug trafficking by the Mexican military.

Republican Representative Tom Tancredo said the United States was facing "a war" with renegade Mexican troops over the long, porous border.



"We have a war. We are facing a military on the other side of the border," Tancredo told demonstrators protesting illegal immigration outside the US Congress.

"In other places, in other times, that would be an active war," he added, reiterating an accusation that Mexican troops had covered up a drug trafficking operation two weeks ago near the Texas border city of El Paso.

The Mexican government and the US Border Patrol have denied that Mexican troops participated in the January 23 incident.

But Tancredo insisted that Mexican troops were a part of it and repeated his call for Bush to send troops into the border area. "I want my government to protect our borders," he said.

"The Mexican military is facilitating the drug trafficking. They are part of the drug cartels," Tancredo said.

"They (officials) do not want to say the obvious -- that the Mexican government does not even have control of its own military," he said, drawing applause from some 50 demonstrators.

The demonstration was organized to protest a Bush proposal to create a program which offers temporary worker status for foreign workers in order to combat illegal immigration. The Senate is expected to debate the plan soon.

One of the speakers at the demonstration, Jim Gilchrist, the founder of a civilian volunteer group that patrols the border for illegal immigrants, warned senators they would be ousted if they back the guest worker proposal.

"Dear Senate of the United States of America, I'm putting you on notice that ... if we cannot change you with our rhetoric and we cannot move you with our rhetoric, ... we will remove you out from office with our vote," Gilchrist told the demonstrators.

Tancredo sharply criticized the Bush proposal.

"He keeps saying the only way that we'll get any border security is when we get a guest worker program. Those two things have nothing to do with each other.

"You cannot have a guest worker program at any time as long as you have porous borders," he added.

A counter-demonstration of a dozen protesters held up signs reading in Spanish "no one is illegal", and "change your name, you're still the KKK (Ku Klux Klan)", referring to the American white racist group.

 

[LAR-15]

A counter-demonstration of a dozen protesters held up signs reading in Spanish "no one is illegal", and "change your name, you're still the KKK (Ku Klux Klan)", referring to the American white racist group.

 

[Biker]

It's time. Past due, in fact. Bush will do nothing but talk, if that much.
A damn shame that Americans, both BP and Civies are gonna have to die on our border before anything is done, but let's open up this dance.
The chickens are coming home to roost, Jorge Bush.
Biker

 

[LAR-15]

I disagree.

The US public largely does not care about the border.

 

[Biker]

At this point, and they won't until the illegal problem lands on their collective doorsteps or until people start getting dead as a result of border incursions. Of course, the latter depends upon whether or not the MSM, including Fox, pays the incidents more than politically slanted lip service.
Biker

 

[cosine]

Granted, the border is porous, but I don't see it as a war. If we actaully had troops on the border, I doubt if there would be any fighting at all. The mexican army wouldn't even cross the border.

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I forsee a lock in this thread's future. I do like hearing people's views about these news stories, so I've been asking people to take news like this over to APS so that we can still have discussions about it.

 

[El Tejon]

The US-Mexico border has always been dangerous. Delusions and tantrums by the Peter Panners (fat guys cleaning their SKSs on their recliners) notwithstanding, the Mexican Army is not poised to invade the U.S.A.

This is nothing more than political manipulation by the Right.

 

[wingman]

[QUOTEThe US public largely does not care about the border.
][/QUOTE]
Actually polls I've read stated 79% of the public want illegal immigration stopped.

I'm a long time south Texas resident and it grows worse each year in terms of
numbers of people crossing and corruption (in my opinion ). The drug cartels
want control of the border, and unless our government national and state
"want" to stop it I am concerned it will develop into a more dangerous
situation.

 

[TF_FH]

1.) All topics and posts must be related to firearms or civil liberties issues.

Well, the folks living close to the border might have to use their guns to keep another country's military where they belong... So would that make this thread firearms related?

 

[1 old 0311]

I have a brother in law with the BP in San Diego. He said it is not a question of "if" but a matter of "when." He said EVERYBODY in the BP is carrying lots of firepower now. 15 Years ago it was just the poor people looking for a job on a farm, now it is ALL controlled by the big drug money. Stay tuned

Kevin

 

[LAR-15]

Actually polls I've said 79% of the public wants illegal immigration stopped.

I'm a long time south Texas resident and it grows worse each year in terms of
numbers of people crossing and corruption (in my opinion ). The drug cartels
want control of the border, and unless our government national and state
"want" to stop it I am concerned it will develop into a more dangerous
situation.

Polls mean nothing.

 

[Lennyjoe]

Polls mean nothing

Unless it has to do with the President or CNN.

 

[The-Fly]

I have a brother in law with the BP in San Diego. He said it is not a question of "if" but a matter of "when." He said EVERYBODY in the BP is carrying lots of firepower now. 15 Years ago it was just the poor people looking for a job on a farm, now it is ALL controlled by the big drug money. Stay tuned

Kevin

i had a direct family member who is former BP, he was in from 97-01 in the San Diego area. He carried a full auto M4 and at least 4 mags on him at all times. The stories he tells me about what really happens at the border are quite frightening.

 

[longeyes]

The US public largely does not care about the border.

The "border" is an abstraction to most Americans. But higher taxes and all the rest of the repercussions from illegal immigration aren't. The MSM and the pols have done their best to keep American citizens in the dark about illegal immigration. This is an issue that is NOT going away.

 

[Powderman]

You know what?

I'm just ornery enough...hard headed enough...and maybe stupid enough, to some...

but I took an oath a long time ago to defend this Nation.

And if I lived in that area, and saw armed foreign troops on our border, with obvious hostile intent...well, my guns would get a workout.

Mounted .50? Well, the guy standing behind it would make a mighty nice target, especially at long range.

So, they hide in the bushes at night? So can I.

And, yes, I know...I more than likely would NOT survive. If I made it through the first encounter, I probably would not survive the second.

But these criminals don't need to be talked to or threatened. The time for that is past.

They need to bleed.

 

[Waitone]

I think the prez needs to be put on notice that he is impeachment bait should something ugly happen.

 

[longeyes]

Something ugly is already happening.

This is a slo-mo nuke.

 

[engineer151515]

US/Mexican border.

Another example of the Federal Government's failure to protect US citizens.


You are on your own.



Good luck.


PS - what is stopping a Governor from posting the State National Guard units?

 

[Rezin]

I disagree.

The US public largely does not care about the border.

I have to disagree. Almost all the people I know (and that is many) are very aware of the border situation, and most are concerned............

 

[Biker]

But what do they do with that concern, Rezin?
Biker

 

[Rezin]

But what do they do with that concern, Rezin?
Biker

My buddy Rennie is in the Minutemen. Aside from him, not many are doing anything other than grousing about it.............

Some will use thier vote, but that's about it............

 

[Kodiaz]

If king jorge won't send the military then maybe the militia should go. I have some vacation time coming. My AR gets here tomorrow.

 

[Biker]

My buddy Rennie is the communcations lead for the Minutemen. aside from him, not many are doing anything other than grousing about it.............

Some will use thier vote, but that's about it............

Good. The vote is a powerful tool. Also check out the sites in my sig.

Biker

 

[horge]

1.) All topics and posts must be related to firearms or civil liberties issues.

Your border issues are perhaps SUPREMELY relevant to KBA.
Potentially a test case of not only your federale government's (mis)understanding
of the Second Amendment, but of the American people's willingness to
fill the shoes of their forefathers:

If your standing army/bureaucracy will not protect American soil and American blood,
if it by inaction aids and abets this foreign violation of America,
the people are enabled --nay, instructed-- by the Second Amendment to
take up their arms in defense of freedom, as a skilled, well-organized militia.


JMforeigner'sO

 

[cosine]

Your border issues are perhaps SUPREMELY relevant to KBA.
Potentially a test case of not only your federale government's (mis)understanding
of the Second Amendment, but of the American people's willingness to
fill the shoes of their forefathers:

If your standing army/bureaucracy will not protect American soil and American blood,
if it by inaction aids and abets this foreign violation of America,
the people are enabled --nay, instructed-- by the Second Amendment to
take up their arms in defense of freedom, as a skilled, well-organized militia.


JMforeigner'sO

Yes, it looks as if this may be very important to civil rights and RKBA. I stand corrected.