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US security chief strives to expel all illegal immigrants

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  1. Desertdog

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    It's about time. Do they have the guts to do it?

    US security chief strives to expel all illegal immigrants
    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/18/051018154752.u9fj2ynj.html

    Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said his department aims without exception to expel all those who enter the United States illegally.

    "Our goal at DHS (Homeland Security) is to completely eliminate the 'catch and release' enforcement problem, and return every single illegal entrant, no exceptions.



    "It should be possible to achieve significant and measurable progress to this end in less than a year," Chertoff told a Senate hearing.

    Thousands of "Mexicans who are caught entering the United States illegally are returned immediately to Mexico. But other parts of the system have nearly collapsed under the weight of numbers. The problem is especially severe for non-Mexicans apprehended at the southwest border," Chertoff explained.

    "Today, a non-Mexican illegal immigrant caught trying to enter the United States across the southwest border has an 80 percent chance of being released immediately because we lack the holding facilities," he added.

    "Through a comprehensive approach, we are moving to end this 'catch and release' style of border enforcement by reengineering our detention and removal process."

    Chertoff's remarks in favor of returning "every illegal entrant, no exceptions" appeared to conflict directly with the US policy toward illegal Cuban migrants.

    Though Cubans picked up at sea are returned to their country, those who reach US soil by air, sea or ground are allowed to stay and work -- a fact Cuba says encourages dangerous illegal emigration attempts.
     
  2. R.H. Lee

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    Depends on how he plans on implementing it. If it's with more 'holding facilities', that won't cut it. He needs busses, lots of busses, making round trips to the Yucatan peninsula. New Orleans has a large supply of unused busses.
     
  3. USSR

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    The question is, will congress give them the money to do it?

    Don
     
  4. Janitor

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    Nothing will come of this. The government lacks the resolve to make this happen in ten years, much less one.

    IMO - This statment amounts to beurocratic saber rattling.
     
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  5. AirForceShooter

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    remember when the President gave his speech on the Axis of Evil??
    I'm still trying to figure out wht a citizen of any country listed as Evil is allowed to even enter this country.
    Does anybody in Washington take any of this seriously?

    AFS
     
  6. Waitone

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    Chertoff--expel all illegal immigrants

    Bush either saw some polls OR a deal has been cut to get Meirs confirmed OR a deal was cut to get an amnesty program. Time will tell just exactly the nature of the deal.

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/18/051018154752.u9fj2ynj.html

    Security chief strives to expel all illegal immigrants
    Oct 18 11:47 AM US/Eastern

    Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said his department aims without exception to expel all those who enter the United States illegally.

    "Our goal at DHS (Homeland Security) is to completely eliminate the 'catch and release' enforcement problem, and return every single illegal entrant, no exceptions.

    "It should be possible to achieve significant and measurable progress to this end in less than a year," Chertoff told a Senate hearing.

    Thousands of "Mexicans who are caught entering the United States illegally are returned immediately to Mexico. But other parts of the system have nearly collapsed under the weight of numbers. The problem is especially severe for non-Mexicans apprehended at the southwest border," Chertoff explained.

    "Today, a non-Mexican illegal immigrant caught trying to enter the United States across the southwest border has an 80 percent chance of being released immediately because we lack the holding facilities," he added.

    "Through a comprehensive approach, we are moving to end this 'catch and release' style of border enforcement by reengineering our detention and removal process."

    Chertoff's remarks in favor of returning "every illegal entrant, no exceptions" appeared to conflict directly with the US policy toward illegal Cuban migrants.

    Though Cubans picked up at sea are returned to their country, those who reach US soil by air, sea or ground are allowed to stay and work -- a fact Cuba says encourages dangerous illegal emigration attempts.
     
  7. Fletchette

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    ...or, he's lying, just like his father.
     
  8. dasmi

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    Great!
    Now let's see them actually do it.
     
  9. longeyes

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    Sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    Arrest and detention is now, with the current numbers involved, impracticable. There are ways to handle this problem and most of us here know what they are: Go after the employers, go after the businesses that aid and abet (banks), cut welfare payments, stop schooling kids of illegals, eliminate citizenship for children of illegals, block money transfers back to Mexico, et al.

    It wouldn't hurt to read the riot act to El Presidente Fox, threaten trade sanctions, or worse.

    Will any of this be done? NO. Too many entrenched interests HERE benefit. Nothing will change until the cost of doing nothing is greater than the cost of acting. That may take a few years.
     
  10. R.H. Lee

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    Nonetheless, we shouldn't miss the opportunity to hold his feet to the fire and keep his word. Chertoff's promise is Bush's promise. If he reneges, make is a HUGE issue.
     
  11. Biker

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    Within a year, he says. Doesn't something important happen next fall? Hmmmm, some kind of elections? They'll sell us out again. To big Ag, the corps and for the Hispanic vote. Not a single Repub will get my vote. Third Party all the way.
    I'm sick and tired of their duplicitous BS and I feel guilty as hell for helping to put the present admin in office!:fire:
    Biker
     
  12. WT

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    MIKE CHERTOFF, don't do it yet. The front lawn at your home in NJ needs mowing and raking! Looks like cr*p.
     
  13. longeyes

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    Bush knows exactly what he has to do if he really wants to turn this problem around. All he has to do is read THR.

    But how can that happen when Rove has told him the future of the GOP lies with embracing "newcomers?" How can that happen when Bush, a tear in his eye, sees illegal aliens as "hard-working moms and dads?" How can that happen when Bush's pals in the business community are eager to profiteer regardless of the extant laws? How can that happen when the Bush clan itself has ties south of the border?

    It can't. Sound & fury, signifying nothing.
     
  14. res1b3uq

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    In office

    C'mon, Biker, look what the alternative was. We HAVE to get a REAL, conservative, grassroots party started. The further the Dems move to the left, The further the Republicans move to the left. I knew Bush was a moderate when I voted for him-twice. In this day and age, John F. Kennedy would have been a Neocon.
     
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    wow that was a pretty funny read, is today really April 1st? Seriously though this guy had better check with Jeorge, 'cause I think he's got other ideas.
     
  16. wingman

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    Per usual Longeyes has it correct, got to go after the source, greedy employers.
    If we are to survive as a "somewhat" free society we need controlled
    immigration, controlled borders otherwise we will become more fragmented
    and third world like. People don't want to hear this but it is simply true,
    we continue to outsource jobs, export our base manufacturing companies
    and then import under educated employees while in truth we should be doing
    the exact opposite. Our large corporation care not, short term profit over
    America freedom, quality of life, they simply don't care and they in turn
    pay for our "elected" officials. I wish a had an easy fix and perhaps it will
    come in time with a third party being elected but some hard times before then.:(
     
  17. Biker

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    I believe that we need a shakeup in a big way. If that means that the Wicked Witch of the East gets into office, well, maybe the Repubs will be forced to at least impersonate conservatives for awhile. They're losing their base as evidenced by me and many lifelong Repubs I know (and I'm in ID!). I've left the party and let my state reps know why.
    If enough of us do it, they'll be forced to change. Neither the Dems or the Repubs get my vote from here on in until someone shows that they care about this country, including the vanishing middle-class, thanks to out of control spending and un-checked immigration.
    Biker
     
  18. longeyes

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    Perhaps we can learn from the Gang of Fourteen--only in our case it may be fourteen million or forty million.

    We need to master the art of obstructionism.
     
  19. Waitone

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    Conditions for a successful third party are beginning to appear but a long way off to be determinative in party formation. Illegal immigration shows how far out of touch the ruling class is with the taxpaying class.

    Until an effective party can be constructed there is one simpleminded tactic that can be employed. Simply refuse to vote for an incumbent. Dominate primaries. Refuse to vote for an incumbant. Most importantly, be willing to enthusiastically throw out your personal bum.
     
  20. NCP24

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    Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
     
  21. gunsmith

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    yup!

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    unfortunately a lot of people who feel this way ( like my brother in law and my sister ) automatically vote Dem:(

    We need to get the Dems who feel this way and the Reps and the Con's
    and get either into a party that agrees or start our own
     
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    Talk is cheap.
     
  24. Headless Thompson Gunner

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    You can't be serious :what:

    Fact is, most manufacturing jobs are idiot work. They're unskilled positions that pay rates commensurate with unskilled work. If that's all you can do, then you aren't worth anything more than minimum wage. In fact, you're probably worth less than minimum wage.

    If unskilled Americans won't work for a wage that matches their abilities, then our companies will hire foreigners who will. If that means hiring imigrants than so be it. If that means exporting labor jobs, then so be it.

    How many Americans ask themselves this simple question: My employer pays me $XYZ... Do I produce more than $XYZ worth of value for my employer? If the answer is 'no', then you have zero right to expect your employer to continue paying you.

    Corporations aren't magical money machines. They simply cannot exist while paying workers more than they're worth. No free rides. We all hafta pay our own way.




    Immigration is a security issue. We need to know who is entering our country, and what their intentions are. But we do NOT need to keep immigrants out. If this is what Chertoff has in mind, then I'm all for it. Let's hope he makes good on his promise.

    Immigration is good for everyone in America. Good for the immigrants, good for their employers, good for their employers' customers, good for the economy as a whole.

    Immigration is good for everyone except for the union members who refuse to accept that they aren't all worth $30 an hour.

    But immigration doesn't have to come at the expense of good security. Let's fix the security problem.




    Oh, by the way... Corporate profit ("short term" or otherwise) is one of the cornerstones of American freedom. But I've already ranted enough for one day...
     
  25. R.H. Lee

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    The answer will never be 'no'. The real question is, how many more times my wage is my employer making from my labor? And why, as an American citizen, should I be forced to compete with third world labor just so my employer can increase his bottom line?

    That attitude, HTG, is exactly what gives rise to the backlash of big labor unions and government interference. You can only exploit so much before it comes back to bite you.
     
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