US security chief strives to expel all illegal immigrants
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idakfan
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They're going to round up 20 MILLION Illegals?
YEAH RIGHT
YEAH RIGHT
Sam
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Chertoff says that and I say Chertoff is trying to blow smoke up my @ss.
28 June '76 and counting
Sam
28 June '76 and counting
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Sir Aardvark
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"Who needs action, when you've got words."
Chertoff, Chao promote guest worker program
He said the things already reported - but that isn't ALL he said. The hook is the "temporary worker program", the bait is this export promise. I wonder if he's got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn too?
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Beefing up border patrols alone won't stem the flow of illegal immigrants into the country, administration officials said Tuesday in promoting President Bush's proposal to set up a temporary worker program for foreign nationals.
"We're going to need more than just brute enforcement," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the Senate Judiciary Committee. "We're going to need a temporary worker program as well."
Labor Secretary Elaine Chao provided a general outline of the plan Bush introduced last year, emphasizing that undocumented workers accepted into the program would receive no advantages over immigrants in the country legally and that they would be required to return home after their work period ends.
"Those who come forward will not be offered an automatic pass to citizenship and should be expected to pay a substantial fine or penalty to participate in the temporary program," she said.
Under the president's plan, she said, guest workers would have to leave the country after three years, but could apply for a second three-year stint.
Tamper-resistant cards
She said they would be issued biometric, tamper-resistant cards that would allow them to cross U.S. borders during their stay.
GOP leaders in both the House and Senate have suggested that Congress should first take up the enforcement issue, putting off debate on the more complex issues of undocumented workers and the demand for low-skilled labor in this country.
But Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, said his panel, currently occupied with the Harriet Miers' Supreme Court nomination, would address comprehensive immigration reform. "It is a matter of very, very substantial urgency."
He cited one recent report that there are now more illegal immigrants in the country, often estimated at around 11 million, than legal immigrants.
Several members of the committee are sponsoring legislation that, in addition to strengthening border security and workplace enforcement, would set up guest worker programs.
Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, with Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, has a bill that would provide visas for up to six years, after which the worker must either leave the country or be in the pipeline for a green card.
Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, have a rival bill that would require illegal aliens to return to their home countries to apply for the temporary worker program.
'Catch and release' policy
Chertoff also pledged to end the "catch and release" policy that has allowed tens of thousands of non-Mexican illegal aliens to disappear within the United States.
"Return every single illegal entrant -- no exceptions," Chertoff said in prepared testimony to the committee.
Chertoff said that the nearly 900,000 Mexicans who are caught entering United States every year are returned immediately to Mexico, "but other parts of the system have nearly collapsed under the weight of numbers."
Chertoff said that in the just-concluded budget year 120,000 of the 160,000 non-Mexican nationals apprehended by the Border Patrol were released, often on their own recognizance, because there is no place to hold them. "That is unacceptable and we are going to change that immediately."
Chertoff said it is should be possible to achieve significant progress in reversing that policy in less than a year, noting that his department's budget for fiscal 2006 includes $90 million in new money to add hundreds of beds. He said his agency also plans to expand use of an expedited removal program that could cut the average time in detention from 90 to 45 days.
The Cabinet officials emphasized that the president strongly opposed an amnesty for illegal aliens, and Chertoff agreed with Kennedy that trying to deport all illegal immigrants would not be possible. "It would take billions and billions and billions of dollars to do it," Chertoff said.
He said the things already reported - but that isn't ALL he said. The hook is the "temporary worker program", the bait is this export promise. I wonder if he's got a bridge for sale in Brooklyn too?
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Beefing up border patrols alone won't stem the flow of illegal immigrants into the country, administration officials said Tuesday in promoting President Bush's proposal to set up a temporary worker program for foreign nationals.
"We're going to need more than just brute enforcement," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the Senate Judiciary Committee. "We're going to need a temporary worker program as well."
Labor Secretary Elaine Chao provided a general outline of the plan Bush introduced last year, emphasizing that undocumented workers accepted into the program would receive no advantages over immigrants in the country legally and that they would be required to return home after their work period ends.
"Those who come forward will not be offered an automatic pass to citizenship and should be expected to pay a substantial fine or penalty to participate in the temporary program," she said.
Under the president's plan, she said, guest workers would have to leave the country after three years, but could apply for a second three-year stint.
Tamper-resistant cards
She said they would be issued biometric, tamper-resistant cards that would allow them to cross U.S. borders during their stay.
GOP leaders in both the House and Senate have suggested that Congress should first take up the enforcement issue, putting off debate on the more complex issues of undocumented workers and the demand for low-skilled labor in this country.
But Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, said his panel, currently occupied with the Harriet Miers' Supreme Court nomination, would address comprehensive immigration reform. "It is a matter of very, very substantial urgency."
He cited one recent report that there are now more illegal immigrants in the country, often estimated at around 11 million, than legal immigrants.
Several members of the committee are sponsoring legislation that, in addition to strengthening border security and workplace enforcement, would set up guest worker programs.
Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, with Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, has a bill that would provide visas for up to six years, after which the worker must either leave the country or be in the pipeline for a green card.
Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Jon Kyl, R-Arizona, have a rival bill that would require illegal aliens to return to their home countries to apply for the temporary worker program.
'Catch and release' policy
Chertoff also pledged to end the "catch and release" policy that has allowed tens of thousands of non-Mexican illegal aliens to disappear within the United States.
"Return every single illegal entrant -- no exceptions," Chertoff said in prepared testimony to the committee.
Chertoff said that the nearly 900,000 Mexicans who are caught entering United States every year are returned immediately to Mexico, "but other parts of the system have nearly collapsed under the weight of numbers."
Chertoff said that in the just-concluded budget year 120,000 of the 160,000 non-Mexican nationals apprehended by the Border Patrol were released, often on their own recognizance, because there is no place to hold them. "That is unacceptable and we are going to change that immediately."
Chertoff said it is should be possible to achieve significant progress in reversing that policy in less than a year, noting that his department's budget for fiscal 2006 includes $90 million in new money to add hundreds of beds. He said his agency also plans to expand use of an expedited removal program that could cut the average time in detention from 90 to 45 days.
The Cabinet officials emphasized that the president strongly opposed an amnesty for illegal aliens, and Chertoff agreed with Kennedy that trying to deport all illegal immigrants would not be possible. "It would take billions and billions and billions of dollars to do it," Chertoff said.
Sam
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Adding beds isn't necessary either. The stay should be short enough that an iron stake, 10' of chain a bucket and shade is all that is necessary. Should be able to secure them for less than $25 each.
And get the Border Patrol back to patrolling the border, not 60 miles away from the border.
I'm getting tired of "papeles por favor" everyday when I go to work.
Sam
And get the Border Patrol back to patrolling the border, not 60 miles away from the border.
I'm getting tired of "papeles por favor" everyday when I go to work.
Sam
MD_Willington
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Well if it's catch and release, they should "chip'em"..you know for further conservation...oops wrong species...
Actually I'm a legal immigrant, played the "jump through the hoop" game for 4 years...
I get kind of upsset when they start talking amnesty for people breaking the law...
Actually I'm a legal immigrant, played the "jump through the hoop" game for 4 years...
I get kind of upsset when they start talking amnesty for people breaking the law...
Waitone
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We don't hold those we capture. Those stupid enough to return for a hearing see the immigration court is not designed to force them out of the country. It is legal delay after legal delay.
Yes, we need holding areas. We also need to streamline the hearing process and rig it in favor of deportation.
We also need to start fining those who hire illegals. Make them pay the cost for attracting criminals.
By addressing the issue Bush has just opened up Pandora's box. I don't think he will like what comes out and I sure don't think he can stuff it back in.
Yes, we need holding areas. We also need to streamline the hearing process and rig it in favor of deportation.
We also need to start fining those who hire illegals. Make them pay the cost for attracting criminals.
By addressing the issue Bush has just opened up Pandora's box. I don't think he will like what comes out and I sure don't think he can stuff it back in.
Puffery. This article is chocked full of spurious reasoning and political balderdash. Looks like another half-assed initiative that will blow up like an exploding cigar.
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Fletchette said:
In the five years after 9/11 he hasn't done a damn thing yet; why would he start now.
Standing Wolf
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I hope you're wrong. I'm afraid you may be proved right.
spocahp anar
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In NC last year they rounded up 77 illegal immigrants tied to, or believed to be tied to gangs and gang related activity. They rounded them up, processed them and RELEASED the on their own recognizance pending a deportation hearing. Yeah I really believe this is all going to change.:banghead:Waitone
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He also thinks the problem can be well under control in about one year.
Think about the implications of what we've been told in the past about how intractable the problem was and how the numbers are just too big to stop it at the borders. Either Chertoff is lying now or Bush lied in the past. Can't draw any other conclusions.
Think about the implications of what we've been told in the past about how intractable the problem was and how the numbers are just too big to stop it at the borders. Either Chertoff is lying now or Bush lied in the past. Can't draw any other conclusions.
longeyes
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For years we've been underpricing our technology, building up foreign competitors. For years we've been watching our technology stolen--with no repercussions. For years we've been providing a military umbrella to the free world, with no tariff charged.
Why?
Who benefits?
Now you say "so be it?"
There is more to a nation than stuffing one's belly and doing deals. A lot more. America is more than a shopping mall.
longeyes
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The Republicans smell an election coming. Chertoff is out there to wave the colors. He says he's going to interdict the arriving and send them back. Uh-huh. Swell, good luck. What about the 15-20 million, plus their offspring, already here? We will need a separate Dept. of Deportation to handle the bus, train, and air traffic involved in the mass movement of those arrested. The Government knows what it needs to do but it will do everything BUT what is needed because that would make way too many people unhappy. So many are now complicit in this national give-away that dealing with this problem would require a systemic purge of historic proportions.
Headless Thompson Gunner
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Wow...
So many folks talking about how they NEED this job or how they're ENTITLED to high wages, no competition, government assistance, etc. "It's unAmerican for me to have to do better than the other guy down the street".
Is it any wonder we have illegal immigrants soaking up all of the low paying jobs? These are folks who want to WORK so badly that they're willing to give up their home, travel to a foreign country/culture, and break the law. (I don't condone breaking the law, as a rule, but you gotta admire their determination to improve their lives.)
I say we need MORE folks like that. They understand the American dream better than some Americans these days.
So let's make the borders secure. We definitely don't need complete strangers walking into the country with potentially evil intentions. We also don't need freeloaders coming in expecting to live off of our taxes. But we don't need to keep out the people who are willing to work hard and earn their keep. Competition, diversity, vitality are GOOD things. They'll only makes us stronger.
And frankly, if you can't compete with an uneducated and illiterate third world peasant, then you deserve to have your job outsourced. We're Americans. We're BETTER than that. At least, I'd like to think we are...
So many folks talking about how they NEED this job or how they're ENTITLED to high wages, no competition, government assistance, etc. "It's unAmerican for me to have to do better than the other guy down the street".
Is it any wonder we have illegal immigrants soaking up all of the low paying jobs? These are folks who want to WORK so badly that they're willing to give up their home, travel to a foreign country/culture, and break the law. (I don't condone breaking the law, as a rule, but you gotta admire their determination to improve their lives.)
I say we need MORE folks like that. They understand the American dream better than some Americans these days.
So let's make the borders secure. We definitely don't need complete strangers walking into the country with potentially evil intentions. We also don't need freeloaders coming in expecting to live off of our taxes. But we don't need to keep out the people who are willing to work hard and earn their keep. Competition, diversity, vitality are GOOD things. They'll only makes us stronger.
And frankly, if you can't compete with an uneducated and illiterate third world peasant, then you deserve to have your job outsourced. We're Americans. We're BETTER than that. At least, I'd like to think we are...
Headless Thompson Gunner said:Wow...
Competition, diversity, vitality are GOOD things. They'll only makes us stronger.
This sounds strangely familiar. If you would, kindly explain why these are "GOOD things" as they apply to immigration in general, especially as it applies today, and illegal immigration in particular.
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I believe that he also testified that a guest worker program would be part of his strategy.
Jorge Bush has sold out his country for reasons I can not understand and for reasons which he does not have the backbone to articulate.
It is unAmerican to create an underclass in this country.
Jorge Bush has sold out his country for reasons I can not understand and for reasons which he does not have the backbone to articulate.
It is unAmerican to create an underclass in this country.
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No more on unions and wages and stuff IN THIS THREAD.
Take that subject over to Armed Polite Society.
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Take that subject over to Armed Polite Society.
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Headless Thompson Gunner
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Sorry, I didn't mean to pull this off topic. Let me restate my points, then I'll skedadle.
I think that motivated, hard working individuals are a huge asset to our country. We need all we can get. If we can steal them from neighboring countries then let's grab as many as we can.
Border security is important too. It is entirely too easy for terrorists to slip something nasty into the country over the Mexican border. We seriously need to fix that.
Freeloaders are also a major problem. Any immigrants caught trying to live off of our tax dollars should promptly be shipped back to Mexico. (Heck, any Americans caught trying to live of our tax dollars should be shipped out too.)
There's absolutely no reason that we can't accomodate all of this. A sensible border policy shoudn't be tough. We managed it well enough at Ellis Isle, didn't we?
I dunno whether Chertoff's plan is the right thing to do, or whether he even intends to act on it. But it sure is nice to see someone in Washington acknowledge the problem.
I think that motivated, hard working individuals are a huge asset to our country. We need all we can get. If we can steal them from neighboring countries then let's grab as many as we can.
Border security is important too. It is entirely too easy for terrorists to slip something nasty into the country over the Mexican border. We seriously need to fix that.
Freeloaders are also a major problem. Any immigrants caught trying to live off of our tax dollars should promptly be shipped back to Mexico. (Heck, any Americans caught trying to live of our tax dollars should be shipped out too.)
There's absolutely no reason that we can't accomodate all of this. A sensible border policy shoudn't be tough. We managed it well enough at Ellis Isle, didn't we?
I dunno whether Chertoff's plan is the right thing to do, or whether he even intends to act on it. But it sure is nice to see someone in Washington acknowledge the problem.
Appreciate the well thought out response, HTG. However, we have all of the motivated, hard working individuals we need right here. Problem is, they can't compete with the illegals who are not only elidgable for many govt. programs, but are activley courted for tham, whether it be WIC, so on.
I completely agree with the border security.
Finally, at Ellis Island, we screened immigrants for diseases while we don't now. TB is making a comeback in this country as is leprosy, just a couple of many. New diseases are also being introduced such as changa, courtesy of south of the border.. Additionally, we *needed* warm bodies at the turn of the last century. We don't now. We have plenty.
Why is diversity so important to our country at this point and what makes you say that it is a good thing?
Biker
However, we have all of the motivated, hard working individuals we need right here. Problem is, they can't compete with the illegals who are not only elidgable for many govt. programs, but are activley courted for tham, whether it be WIC, so on.I completely agree with the border security.
Finally, at Ellis Island, we screened immigrants for diseases while we don't now. TB is making a comeback in this country as is leprosy, just a couple of many. New diseases are also being introduced such as changa, courtesy of south of the border.. Additionally, we *needed* warm bodies at the turn of the last century. We don't now. We have plenty.
Why is diversity so important to our country at this point and what makes you say that it is a good thing?
Biker
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