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US Soldier accused of spying for Al Qaida

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  1. hillbilly

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4252095/


    NBC: Soldier accused of trying to aid al-Qaida
    Charged with attempting to pass information to al-QaidaNBC News
    Updated: 4:24 p.m. ET Feb. 12, 2004U.S. military and Justice Department officials tell NBC News that a U.S. Army National Guardsman was taken into custody Thursday at Fort Lewis, Wash., and charged with attempting to pass intelligence information to the al-Qaida terrorist network.


    Spc. Ryan G. Anderson has been charged with "aiding the enemy by wrongfully attempting to communicate and give intelligence to the al-Qaida terrorist network," U.S. officials told NBC News. The officials said that Anderson was caught up in a sting operation conducted jointly by the Army, the Justice Department and the FBI. Anderson, however, is currently being held and charged only by the Army. Anderson is a Muslim, officials said.

    Spc. Anderson, a 26-year-old tank crewmember from the Army's 81st National Guard Brigade, was among the 4,100 troops of the 81st Brigade on their way to Iraq for a one-year deployment.
     
  2. wingnutx

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    I hope it's not true.

    If it is, hang him by the neck until dead. Squeeze him for intel first, of course.
     
  3. Thumper

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    If only he would have waited for his ETS, he could have had a promising career in Massachusetts politics.
     
  4. Sean Smith

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    Score one for Army CI. The crime of Espionage carries the death penalty under the UCMJ. Article 106 (a).
     
  5. Mark Tyson

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    Let's shoot someb-

    Oh, sorry Blues Man.

    Let's give him a fair trial under the UCMJ.
     
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    hhmm, i just mingled in the crowds with him last weekend at the 81st Armored Brigade's departure ceremony. who'da thunk it. i feel dirty now. i'll see if i can get some news from my cousin who is going with the 81st in the 161st mechanized infantry.

    btw, i think the number of troops is about 3,600, not 4,100. not that it matters a great deal in this case. just a little correction.

    Bobby
     
  7. rick_reno

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    US soldier accused of spying

    If this proves to be true, I hope they execute him. Make it a Pay-per-view event on TV and distribute the funds raised to the families of slain servicemen.
     
  8. Strange1

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    Article 104—Aiding the enemy



    :fire:

    I'll bite my tongue while he gets a fair trial, but if he's found guilty then I would have no problem lining him up in front of a post and pulling the trigger. My son just joined the Marines and I'll be d#$%d if my sons going to be putting his life on the line for this POS!:fire:
     
  9. chaim

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    According to a TV news report about 30min ago, the info he tried to give over was about the capabilities of the armored Humvees we're using over there and the capabilities of Bradley fighting vehicles. Basically he wanted to give Al Quedia information about the weaknesses of our armored vehicles so that they could kill more US troops over in Iraq.

    If true, and he is found guilty, he deserves the exact same fate he tried to subject thousands of US troops to- put him in an old armored vehicle and use it for target practice. He deserves to burn and succumb to fumes the same as our guys would have. Of course, that is what he deserves- we are bound to execute him humanely at most and likely he will only get jail time.
     
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    And I sort of knew the guy!

    He was a regular poster on an Enfield Collector's Forum I frequent. We had a web page of pictures of the regulars called "The Enfield Addict's Support Group" which *I* hosted. I got a call this PM from a reporter with KXLY TV asking about the pic on my web page and if I knew anything about the guy. It was the first I'd heard of the whole thing. I told then the truth, that I knew him only barely, I knew he was a convert to Islam, but I did NOT know he had joined the NG. They asked if they could use the pic from my web page and I siad NO. I also deleted the pic and the whole page from my server. Now I, and the other folks on that forum may be hearing from "Agent Smith".

    If he is guilty, I'l volunteer to be on the firing squad. Heck, I'll even arm the whole squad with Lee Enfields from my own collection.

    :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss:
     
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    If he is guilty, PM me, I'll be happy to man a rifle.:fire: :cuss: :fire:
     
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    This is the saddest news of the day.
     
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    Just another John F. Kerry (Viet Nam veteran) supporter.
     
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    If he is found guilty and the gov decides to persue the death penalty Im not against it, but I think its highly unlikely that the would execute him. Im not sure how long its been since the Army has used the death penalty but It has been a very long time and there have been others caught for the same crimes and on a more sever level wich still were not executed. Its possible though maybe a good time to set a example either way it is disgusting to hear that any American let alone a soilder could do this to his own people.
     
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    I agree with Binkus. It's been too long since we as a nation put our foot down on treason. I think this guy, if guilty, should face a firing squad at the minimum. If I had my way, the shooters would all be relatives of those that have already sacrificed their lives for our safety. But I think we all know what he'd likely get if convicted... :cuss:
     
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    SMLE, been watching the SETI results on our little group lately?

    ;)


    Yeah, I had only recently sold the NoIMkIII* Lithgow that I got from him a few months ago, after restocking it and mounting a Weaver K4 scope. Talk about incredible irony, now the dumb kid's got his mug plastered all over CNN and the other news networks. Hope his ranting and raving on the Lee-Enfield forums got him the 15 minutes of fame he wanted. :(
     
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    Enfield SETI

    The info that he was alledgedly trying to pass is what really ticks me off. The vulnerabilities of US vehicles for f*** sake! My best friend's son, whom I've know since he was in diapers, is headed over there this summer as an RTO in a transport unit.

    Of secondary concern is what kind of attention the rest of us may come under from the State Secret Police. AKA "Homeland Security".
     
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    Interesting tidbit from the BBC

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3484377.stm

    I wonder if they ever met?
     
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    And wasn't John Muhammad, the DC shooter, also connected to Ft. Lewis?

    What's in the water up there?

    hillbilly
     
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    Do you know how big Fort Lewis is? It's like a small city, and Muhammed was there years ago.
     
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    The Army chaplain was from that area, Ryan Anderson was in that area. Mohammad was from that area.

    On the civilian side, Mike Hawash was from around that area and that Ujaama guy was from somewhere up there, too.

    That's five different men all connected to fundamentalist Islam, who did bad things, from around the Washington state area.

    I suppose, WA has a higher than average collection of radical Muslims for some reason.

    You don't exactly see a pattern of five radical Islamic spies or terrorists all with significant contacts to say Arkansas.

    Or at least we haven't yet.

    It's like comparing the number of elected socialist gun-grabbing bliss-ninnies from Massachusetts to the number of elected socialist gun-grabbing bliss-ninnies from Wyoming.

    Nothing conspiratorial at all, but one place will have a lot more than the other for all sorts of cultural and political reasons.

    And apparenlty there's a pocket of radical Islamism in WA state.

    hillbilly
     
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    Anderson is in the 81st Armored Bde, WA National Guard, which was activated in Nov. Yee I think had already been arrested at Gitmo by that time. No connection likely.

    My wife used to be in the Bde HQ of that unit until the Army (active) moved me here to SC. Bastard can burn in hell. And as an officer, I can't be one of the people actually firing on the firing squad. But if he's guilty, I'll volunteer to be the OIC.

    And the military does have a few people, not many, on death row at Ft Leavenworth. When I was there in 2000 for staff school, word was that one had only one appeal left. Haven't heard if he finally got the needle or not.

    The biggest reason traitors aren't executed anymore is that they generally confess and give up info on their contacts, which allows more spies to be rolled up. In exchange, they get life in prison. Since apparently this guy went trolling on chatrooms looking for people to give his info to, there's a good chance he won't have any info to offer in exchange for his life.
     
  23. Sean Smith

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    Hillbilly actually has a reasonable point. It is one hell of a mother-scratcher of a coincidence. Even if they aren't directly connected, tangential connections can be just as important. For instance, more than one of the guys mentioned could have been indoctrinated by the same individual (or even group) in that area, just at different times.
     
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    I think we should show no mercy towards him. I do think that the capabilities of a Humve and a bradley(why would it be a bradley and not a M1 if he was Armor?) are probably on Janes web site or are already known to the enemy. They have blown up some already. I don't think THAT info has put our troops in danger. I do think that it would have led to more however if it were to go on and the intentions were to get our troops killed. He should be shot for treason.
     
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    If he helped Al Qaeda, he needs to be killed ASAP as does everyone else in that orgnization. Why should we tolerate this stuff? We need some guys like Grant and Sherman to go in and exterminate.
     
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