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US Soldiers Becoming Targets at Home

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  1. mcschrader

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    (I had no clue where to post this, so if it gets moved I understand)

    I (as some of you know) am in Afghanistan right now. I am in good place right now where I can watch TV most days. Watching the news scares me to go home. Have you noticed that there is a LARGE number of soldiers being shot?

    I, as a Soldier, believe that even if open or concealed carry is not allowed in a state that at least the Police and Military personel should be able to carry. What are yalls thoughts on both statements? Am I just being paranoid?
     
  2. el gato

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    The Second Amendment is my concealed carry permit
     
  3. Zombie

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    Well first Spc Schrader thank you for your service and I wish you luck with your tour.
    While it is good that you have television, please try to remember it is TV and therefore not to be believed. Most news networks try to make the news more exciting that it really is so that you will watch it and listen to their advertising and political ends.

    Second, other than the Fort Hood incident that occurred on an army post I don't think that there has been a significant in shootings of military. This is important in that 48 states now allow concealed carry but no military posts do. The people you need to address are your commanders to get that policy changed in the name of safety.

    Third, even that states that do not allow concealed carry have exceptions for the police, so they don't need one.

    Fourth, I understand that part of being in a stressful situation like combat can alter your situational awareness where you can perceive threats to your self that are not significantly different than the rest of the population. A realistic assessment can help with that.
     
  4. Deus Machina

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    Again, thanks for your service. We here rely on people like you.

    And, no, no more military targeted than usual. It's just played up and blown out of proportion, because it gets CNN ratings.

    As for the carry, I support instant and easy permits (where applicable) to military, but IMO the police should not be allowed to carry off-duty where your average Joe can't. Police seem a lot more friendly to the idea of concealed carry when it's not in their mind that they're the only ones that can legally do so. I'm for making the point that the shepherds should face the same dangers as the sheep.
    But that's another thread altogether.
     
  5. mcschrader

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    Well, other than the Fort Hood shooting.

    http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=1111

    I had a buddy that was shot right outside a bar by a guy who said "F*** the military". I had another friend just coming back from Iraq who got jumped while he was in uniform. The news may say things to be scary, but it is very real. I believe that it is becoming a problem and that nothing is being said about it. But again, I may just be getting paronoid.
     
  6. FROGO207

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    Other than one highly publicized incident that is in the news recently the local news is showing no more violence toward the military members here in the USA than the general population. The awareness of PTSD is putting more of that information in the news however and this is a good thing IMHO. I agree in other areas of the world any member of any military entity is a target of heightened aggression and this unfortunately is in the news frequently.

    Thank you for your service and my prayers are with you as well as all in harms way. Stay safe until you come home.
    Rick
     
  7. sheepdog

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    There are some...

    ...here who would be glad to respond to a serviceman being attacked in uniform just as gladly as you are over there fighting for your country's cause...even before my two sons, 20 and 22 went to Iraq in the same unit, it would have been a baaaaaaaaaaaaad day for me to see someone mistreating a man/woman in our country's uniform...y'all are kinda like a walkin' flag to me...some things are WORTH goin' to jail for!!! Thanks for all you do for all of us...in Tx...active military gets 50% discount on their CHL...come on down!!!
     
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    I guess you should know that the Southern Poverty Law Center referenced in your link is anti-military organization. In the early part of this year they played a major role in the report on right wing terrorism that painted an unbelievable picture of wide spread racism and militant terrorists running a muck in the US military. Anything that will help lower the morale of troops is good for them.
     
  9. wishin

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    Spc Schrader, Keep your chin up, your head down, your powder dry and always remember not to worry about those things over which you have no control! That has served me well, even after coming home from the most unpopular war in U.S. history.

    Thanks for your service. God be with you.
     
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    Brother, if it is on the news it is because it is attention grabbing and rare. How often do you hear about assaults on gang members in the ghetto? Never, unless it is an out of the ordinary mass shooting/firefight.

    Soldiers getting shot/attacked, or doing the shooting after coming home is what reporters love to talk about. I would seriously doubt there is a problem with increased attacks on US soldiers at home based on statistics.
     
  11. JoeSlomo

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    You are just being paranoid.

    I have NO greater right to defend myself than ANY other law abiding citizen just because I am military. Neither does any other military or police member...
     
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    Actually as a military memeber you have less rights to self defense. You have no right to conceal carry on any military installation in the US.
     
  13. zootsuit002

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    Let us not forget about the Arkansas recruiters and recruits that were targeted last year. Like everyone else we need to recognize that danger is around us and not fall into complacency. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Your risk is far greater that you would need it to defend yourself against a thief but the danger is still there.
     
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    Maybe just remember that the world is a dangerous place and that no matter who you are, someone out there hates you for it. And, we can all be victims of chance- wrong place/wrong time.

    Do the best you can and let the chips fall where they may.

    I don't believe the police or military should have carriage rights above the average John Q. Public.
     
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    I haven't heard of anything like that happening, at least around here...?
     
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    That's a good point, but not where Spc Schrader appears to feel threatened. I think all of us with a carry permit should vow to go that extra mile to protect and defend our military personnel in the absence of law enforcement personnel. Kind of like they are doing for us against terrorism around the world.
     
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    Brother, it is safer here, than it is there. Come home safe soldier.
     
  18. Justin

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    Why don't you try that as an argument in court and see how far it gets you.
     
  19. 61chalk

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    I haven't heard about that many attacks on soldiers, except for those already
    mentioned....What I am concerned about is the number of suicides by servicemen.
    Don't get stressed out by any news you hear, you got enough on your plate right now.
    And no matter what happens in life, wait until tommorrow brother, we are for you...
    carry on soldier, an God Bless.
     
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    Let me give you some personal experience on the matter. I worked security in a hospital for just over 5 years. I often had to restrain patients that were having "behavioral" problems. Depending on how badly they were behaving some of them got a severe beating. As the wars in Iraq and Afganistan continued I would see more and more recently returned vets that had several problems. We would get drunk vets, high vets, drug seeker vets, scared vets, angry vets, just plain crazy vets, etc. Though we tried to give them as much of a pass as possible, they were strong and they often got to swinging at nurses and doctors. And because they are so strong it often required a higher level of force to "assist" them into cooperation. I would say that I have beaten up more vets from Iraq and Afganistan than just normal folks. I think this is for several reasons.

    Our military trains our armed forces to have a high degree of pride and confidence. They train them to be the baddest, best, biggest, etc. They fight and they win. They are not used to losing and they know that they are truly important in the world. They know how important they are for us regular folk. The problem is that when they get home and put on their civilian clothes they are not treated with the same respect and reverence that they had when they are in active duty. So many of them are used to giving orders and hear "yes sir!" When they get home their life just plain sucks until they get used to being in a totally different world. We send them out to a place that tries to kill them and then we bring them back and toss them off the plane onto their butts and say "have a nice life." For some of them that really have the pride and confidence that the military gives them they can deal with it and find a way to survive. For others they can't adjust to the "new" culture that they are immersed in and it leads to drinking, drugs, shady living, fighting to uphold their honor or prove they are not just some civilian. Though I believe that the majority of our returned vets are great guys, a few after the military are often wasted away into self pity and false pride. They spend their days wishing they could have that brotherhood and self worth that the military gave them, but they can't find it in the civilian world.

    Many that are like that come home and pick fights with people or allow themselves to be goaded into fighting. Especially when alcohol is a factor. Though they are strong, they aren't always strong enough to not end up in the hospital. Many of the people that I beat up had already been beat up in a bar and didn't think the fight was over yet.

    Now, you are used to fighting. You are used to being given respect and companionship. You are used to being told how great you really are. You are used to being obeyed by the people there. When you get home all that you are used to will all STOP. Don't let it get to you. It will take some time getting used to it. Don't try and treat civilians like they should know what you went through. They are dumb and can't figure it out. Though the military was important to you in your life, other people get upset if you talk about how great you are and all the awesome things you did. Around here people start rolling their eyes and leave when someone at the bar starts talking about Iraq. They know a fight is coming.

    So, to answer your question, I do believe that there is a lot of violence done to our servicemen at home. Though the Fort Hood shooting and others were unavoidable by all the victims, there are many time that servicemen put themselves in potentially violent situations. If there is any advice I could give someone coming back it would be to avoid alcohol at all costs. Live a higher law. It sucks to deprive yourself of some things, but in my experience not one beat up drunk expected to fight when they started drinking. I think that because servicemen spend so much time fighting while active duty, some switch to default when they're intoxicated.

    Now, I have several friends that are returned vets from Iraq, Afganistan, and even Vietnam. Many of them were my coworkers at the hospital. All of them were great men and not one of them didn't have to hold back their urge to beat the living snot out of the guys that were giving the military a bad name. In fact, my friend that was a Marine in Vietnam didn't hold back as much as he could have. I learned a lot from him. But all of them did say that it sucked to come home and adjust to a new world.

    I hope the best for you and come home safe.
     
  21. mljdeckard

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    Most of the guys in my unit are either cops or work full-time for the guard. The ones that are cops are armed anyway.

    This might ruffle some feathers, but I'll say it anyway, just because you are a soldier doesn't make you exceptionally qualified to carry in your day-to-day life. I have supervised soldiers who don't have the mental faculties to carry a gun safely AT ALL, even in-theater.
     
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    +1 el gato, bravo zulu on that statement
     
  23. mcschrader

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    Alright guys, thanks a lot for the feedback. Makes me feel a little better. Im not trying to go through a whole tour here, just to come home and get shot if you know what I mean.

    Longdayjake,
    There are def. some Soldiers that are downright nuts. I can attest to that.

    6 Months to Go!
     
  24. Mags

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    Follow ORM this is not anything new.

    As a member of the Active Duty Military you should be ashamed of yourself for such an elitist view no one occupation over the other should have more of a right to defend themselves than the other. You took an oath to the Constitution as have I. You are not being paranoid only what makes you think you are more special than the 100s of thousands of other military members on American soil and then what makes you think the .Gov should have more rights than the civilians we are sworn to protect
     
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    One of the highest causes of death and injury for military personnel stateside is motorcycle accidents. Riding a sport bike is far more risky than the likelihood of being murdered.
     
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