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Using a passport to buy gun?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hkmp5g17, Aug 16, 2007.

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  1. hkmp5g17

    hkmp5g17 Member

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    Using a passport to buy gun? FFL'S Please read!

    Apologies if this has been addressed previously.

    I have a person (locally) who wants to do a ftf transaction to buy a pistol of mine. Claims he only has his passport (I always ask for and show ID)- he claims he is a US citizen.

    I'm leary of this?

    Opinions?

    Thanks-Anthony
     
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  2. kevin.osborne

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    How did he get his passport without ID?
     
  3. Cannonball888

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    Yes, you are leary, and unjustfiably.
    A passport is better than a DL. It shows his identity and nationality.
     
  4. Flyboy73

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    Trying to remember if I showed like a drivers license when I get my passport.
    But you do need to give them your birth certificate.

    Brion
     
  5. Flyboy73

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    I would think as long as it is a valid passport and got a local address on it, you are good to go.

    Brion
     
  6. hkmp5g17

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    My concern is his state of residence- I'm not sure the passport confirms this. One would need ID to procure a passport- assuming it's genuine. Which make me that much more dubious of his claim.

    Anthony
     
  7. hkmp5g17

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    Any ffl's reading? Would you accept a passport?
     
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    A passport is perfectly fine as proof of identity and citizenship, but it is not a proof of residence. IIRC, address information is not even printed in the ID page. I would not accept this because, for a FTF to be kosher, you need to establish that he is a resident of your state.
     
  9. MIL-DOT

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    i'd bet a passport is more than acceptable as ID for a private gun sale. i myself went several years with only my US passport and FM-3 ( mexcian work visa) as my only forms of ID. well, i did have my scuba instructors card and ( for a while) a mexican drivers license, but LOL, niether of those count as real ID !
     
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    Passport doesn't establish residency - the only spot on it for an address is a place to pencil it in for emergency contact.

    Whether you can use ID without an address, I don't know.
     
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    To get a US passport, all you need is your birth certificate, 2 photos and the appropriate fee. It is actually better ID than a DL, as many states don't even ask for proof of citizenship or permanent residency. As far as this goes, many states issue DL's to any one who asks under a don't ask don't tell policy (NC, SC, etc...), and woe be any employee who actually tries to ask.

    Anyone who has a valid US passport and is not a US citizen, is acutally comitting a whole host of federal felonies. As opposed to holders of certain state DLs that were issued legally and are actually valid. Proof of residency can be established by utility bills.

    A combination of the 2 may be sufficient for the state, and to cover yourself.

    Be Safe.

    ps. I live in a big city in the NE and around here, many people don't even own a car, but take the subway instead.
     
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  12. hkmp5g17

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    Thanks for all the replies- I worked for several months in Kansas- earlier this year. Had an apartment-and utilities- but wasn't a resident.

    I bought several rifles from FFL's-but handguns weren't allowed:(

    Just want to make sure I'm legal on this...
     
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    If you don't know the person, it ain't "friend to friend."
     
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    This might shed some light on what might keep BATFE happy:
     
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    I bet that the reason that he wants to only show you his passport is due to the fact that he isn't a resident of your state. As has been stated, the only address on the passport is the one that you pencil in for travel notification purposes.
     
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    As a ffl I can accept the passport as goverment issued photo ID, but he's going to need another gov issued document to establish residence. a utility bill would not do unless it was from the goverment.
     
  17. hkmp5g17

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    Thanks again everyone! Appreciate the imput:) I want to sell- but think I'll pass on this guy .I'd have to drive an hour to meet him and...

    He first suggested that I "send the gun up" to him with someone I know who frequently drove up to his city. (Which I WON'T do of course)

    Too many red flags.

    Thanks again
     
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    The moment he suggested having a "friend" deliver it to him I'd have immediately said "forget it".
     
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    Would a property tax bill or a water bill work with the passport to establish identity and residence?

    Kharn
     
  20. hkmp5g17

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    I'm not sure either of those would- you can own property and be a resident of another state. Wow- this turned complicated fast!:banghead:
     
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    The example that the NICS booklet gives is a tax bill as a second ID to establish the street address.
     
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    I have 2 passports, 1 UK, 1 Canadian... I've never used them in the USA for a firearms purchase, I have used my Green Card, Drivers License and carry permit though. No problems.
     
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    Funniest thing I've seen all day!

    :rolleyes: lmao!:D
     
  25. Aguila Blanca

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    The only form of identification asked for or accepted for a passport is an original birth certificate.
     
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