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Utah CCW changes?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by JamisJockey, May 4, 2004.

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  1. JamisJockey

    JamisJockey member

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    Anyone know what changes were made in Utah to the CCW laws during the 2004 session? I know there were changes, I can't seem to find any information on what they were.
     
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    www.packing.org tries to keep up to date on the carry laws. I know the UT legislature was trying to make it clear to the University of Utah president that they and not he make the laws.
     
  3. Ben Shepherd

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    The bill that thatguy is talking about is SB48, which passed.

    The changes are no more letters of reference, and you only need one set of fingerprints instead of two, from what I understand.

    But like you I can't find the exact text at this point.
     
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    My goodness. I went searching yesterday for the exact info, and it seems almost impossible to find anything at all. Ben Shepard summed up what little I could learn.
     
  5. CrudeGT

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    I keep doing a few searches and see what I can find, but here is what I pullel up real quick on SB48

    That came from http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595057435,00.html
     
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    Here's the LONG version of SB48, really doesn't say anything about no letters of recommendation, and only 1 set of finger prints, has more to do with pulbic or private property trying to restrict firearms from being carried.

    http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2004/bills/sbillint/sb0048.htm

     
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    This is good news... means more and more people will go for the permits... increasing our numbers... pissing off the Donks... pissing of UofU... This is great news.
     
  8. CrudeGT

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    one more, than I'm going on break. As far as Ben was saying, the BCI's website, stating the requirements to apply for a CCW still requests 2 letters of recommendation, and 2 sets of fingerprints.

    That info can be found here:

    http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFNewApp.html


    That's it, Now i'm going on break.
     
  9. Correia

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    BCI held a meeting last Saturday for all Utah CCW instructors to update us about the new changes. The information posted above is correct, the BCI webpage just has not been updated yet.

    Only one photograph and finger print card are required. BCI was scanning them in anyway, so they didn't need extras. This requires us to be more careful and make sure that the cards are good, as BCI used to pick the better of the two to send to the FBI.

    The letters of reference are no longer needed at all. They were kind of silly. Ted Bundy could have gotten two letters of reference.

    The form has been changed from the multi-page form, to a new one page form that should be up on the BCI page this month. Some of the information that they didn't use has been removed, like the residential history section.

    SB48 was a different law altogether. That was the smack down the UofU bill. Great stuff. I went to all of the committee meetings to enjoy the show while it was debated. Good stuff.

    Big thanks to Clark Aphosian and the good people at the Utah Self Defense Instructor's Network US-DIN. They were the people that got the CCW application procedure simplified. BCI was very helpful as well, they are actually pretty good folks who like having good people carry guns.


    -Larry Correia
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    Molon Labe hat guy

    :p
     
  10. CrudeGT

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    Larry, do you ever teach classes at Doug's? or ever shoot there? I would really enjoy meeting ya and getting your help on my shooting technique, as well as just meeting ya and shooting the ????.
     
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    CrudeGT, I've shot a Dougs. No offense intended, the employees are friendly enough, and the range works, but I didn't like it. How the hell am I supposed to shoot a decent group when the ventilation fans move my target around?

    If you want to make a trip down to Utah Valley we could meet at the shooting accademy in Lindon. It costs six bucks IIRC, I buy an annual pass so I'm not sure though.

    They have a better target system, better lighting and better bench areas for your gear. And the guys that run it are great.
     
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    One more thing for those thinking of getting thier permits:

    After you've taken the class, take the paperwork down to BCI in person if possible. You'll get your permit MUCH faster than if you mail it in.
     
  13. CrudeGT

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    They have ventilation fans at Doug's? j/k

    It gets so smokey down there sometimes it's bothersome. But I will agree the targets moving is a pain in the ass. I mainly recomend it because it's closer to where I'm at, but I have no problem with going for a drive.


    I've got every Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday off. So pick a date, and let's go.

    Is it indoor or outfoor, and do they allow shotguns? I've been needed to get a few rounds through my 12g.
     
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    To re-inforce this, i took my stuff in in person, and got my permit in the mail in 5 business days.
     
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    1. I'll check my schedule, we'll get set up.

    2. Indoor.

    3. Shotguns are allowed on the long(25 yard) range. In fact anything within reason is allowed in lane 1 of the long range, just no armor piercing stuff. I've used it to rough sight several rifles, from a 22 clear up to a 30-06. Although anything in a rifle caliber is LOUD in there. I take my sks' and bushys' down for a workout regularly. I even take one of the 870s' down occasionally.
     
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    I've got a mossberg Maverick (first shotgun, wanted something cheap incase I break it, while I'l learning how to use them properly) It's a home defense, so 18.5" bbl. I got it last fall, and never had the chance to take it out to the desert for some shooting before it got too cold, so I want to make sure it works:D

    But like I mentioned in another thread, I've got about 700 rounds of 9mm reloads (factory) left, so if you ahve any 9mm guns, i'll cover the ammo.
     
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    NOTHING wrong with a mossberg. I've got one 9mm, a blackhawk convertible, I guess I could take out the 357 cylinder out for a while.:D
     
  18. CrudeGT

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    My next shotgun will be a mossberg too, but the Maverick worries me. I've read that they are the Mossbergs cheap shoty. So, we'll see. And i bought it at the gun show, which also worries me.

    Shoot me a PM after you check your schedule and We'll set up a time.
     
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    Same here, mine came within a week. One thing about finding the place though: I had the exact address for where it should of been on 5400 south but drove by about 3 times before I finally noticed a building not even really on 5400 south that was hidden back behind McDonalds.
     
  20. JamisJockey

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    Only way I found it was that I called and asked for directions.
     
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    Yep, the building is kind of hidden back there. The real test of how long it takes to get your permit back is how long it takes the FBI to check your finger prints.

    I don't like to shoot indoors to much as I have asthma, and if I spend very long in an indoor range it tends to tear me up. About 10 minutes in Dougs will do me in, but I can last about an hour in a place like Rangemasters. :)
     
  22. JamisJockey

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    Doug's sucks. I've posted some rants about Doug's on here in the past. My most recent bad experience involves my Taurus. I got a good deal on the gun, but when I went to test fire it, there were only three (yes, I said THREE) working stalls.
    The condition of thier range has detoriated in the last few years (I've only been in Utah 3 years), and its poorly ventilated, lit, and maintained.
    And any shop that won't negotiate on a used gun that's collected dust for A YEAR obviously doesn't need the rack space freed up anyways :rolleyes:
     
  23. john l

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    All you Utah guys should look up
    www.udpl.net
    and come shoot with us out at the FARM on the 4th saturdays. After that, any indoor range will suck in comparison.
    john l
     
  24. Correia

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    John is right, UDPL is where it is at.
     
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