VA-ALERT: Guns/weapons/helmets/shields banned on ENTIRE Capitol buildings AND grounds!

[GBExpat]

... If it's all empty holsters I say the whole lot of you virginians deserve, and will, have your freedoms stripped per our founders recommendations. Fear must motivate their decision making processes more than ours because fear is the most powerful motivator and so far vcdl is tiptoeing through the tulips on this deal! Bad policy! Weak leadership! Legal, and large displays of force will be good, and more effective for the cause. ...

Perhaps Northam was not misguided in declaring an emergency ...

 

[MEHavey]

-- Delete --

(The gist of which was that you want to win the issue...
not make a futile/self-defeating statement that fuels
the adversary's engine of your own destruction.)

 

[alsaqr]

Have no fear the Light Foot Militia is on the way; their leader, one Yingling, expects violence. Yingling was one of the "unite the right" leaders at Charlottesville.

The Republican minority leader said this:

“Any group that comes to Richmond to spread white supremacist garbage, or any other form of hate, violence, or civil unrest isn’t welcome here,” House Minority Leader Todd Gilbert (R-Shenandoah) said in a written statement Saturday. “While we and our Democratic colleagues may have differences, we are all Virginians and we will stand united in opposition to any threats of violence or civil unrest from any quarter.”

 

[Trey Veston]

In what world doesn't that beat an empty holster? But I guess with the vcdl it's all about believe and do as we say or please remain silent and invisible. Who do you take more seriously, centrum silver with an empty holster or fighting age male with above gear. If it's all empty holsters I say the whole lot of you virginians deserve, and will, have your freedoms stripped per our founders recommendations. Fear must motivate their decision making processes more than ours because fear is the most powerful motivator and so far vcdl is tiptoeing through the tulips on this deal! Bad policy! Weak leadership! Legal, and large displays of force will be good, and more effective for the cause. Empty holsters will be....empty.

I suppose it depends on what message you want the politicians to get and what direction you want the issue to go.

Showing up in full battle gear with ARs, Rambo knives, and flak jackets is exactly what the media propagandists want to happen because it will reinforce the image that gun owners are a bunch of extremist loons who are prone to violence and are dangerous and that the fear the media has managed to propagate among the clueless American public was warranted and accurate.

A supposedly peaceful rally to protest gun control by showing up in huge numbers is what this was supposed to be. Showing up in full battle gear like it's a guerrilla operation is idiotic and is exactly what the leftists were hoping would happen.

 

[fireside44]

Perhaps Northam was not misguided in declaring an emergency ...

Glad to see vcdl supporters rallying behind the guvnah!

Showing up in full battle gear with ARs, Rambo knives, and flak jackets is exactly what the media propagandists want to happen because it will reinforce the image that gun owners are a bunch of extremist loons who are prone to violence and are dangerous and that the fear the media has managed to propagate among the clueless American public was warranted and accurate.

Reinforcing that image is the better option. Vcdl wasn't/isnt taken seriously with their methods, all the other groups are, however. Empty holsters are painted as extremists all the same so you are in our camp now anyhow boss. Gun owners need to be above reproach not because they are law abiding help an old lady across the street types but because of the awful repercussions facing those who would seek to disarm you. Starting with no more career politician life.

A supposedly peaceful rally to protest gun control by showing up in huge numbers is what this was supposed to be.

Because vcdl threw out a bunch of dictates everyone was supposed to abide by. Surprise, that ain't how a free country works. More bad vcdl decisions.

Showing up in full battle gear like it's a guerrilla operation is idiotic and is exactly what the leftists were hoping would happen.

I will argue the methods they are employing are already more successful and all you can do is name call i.e "idiotic" and "loons". No one cared about empty holsterpalooza until more boogie oriented individuals broke ranks and are determined to show up armed to the teeth because people no longer care what a few fake news agencies portray them as or what some baby eating governor says they can and cant have. Regardless, even if I'm wrong you'll need idiots and loons to secure your rights once your methods have failed, and they have already begun to do so.

 

[bdickens]

You obviously have no concept of psyops.






Or maybe you do....

 

[Hartkopf]

I can’t get behind the full war mode types for a protest, especially when the Democrats can be voted out fairly soon.

The liberal media and the strategists already have a script written for when Rambo goes full stupid. It’s not going to help our cause.

 

[LNK]

While I definitely see both arguments as valid, I wonder what this is supposed to accomplish. Will we sway enough representatives to get these proposed bills "shot down"? (Pun intended). Is that a realistic goal? I am not sure what kind of outcome we can expect at this point. I wish I was going, at least to record what really happens crowd size wise. I think recordings are our best attempt to show just what kind of propoganda the other side is capable of. That might wake up voters for the next election cycle in Virginia.

I hope it stays peaceful,and that the optics of the pro 2nd amendment are positive. Good luck tomorrow, for those that are going, and for us all.

 

[JERRY]

record everything, livestream everything, video beats audio, both beat the lies that will be shown on the news. the next election blues might get you a majority in the house or senate, but trying to get any laws reversed without complete control of the legislature like the Democrats have right now is a crack pipe dream.

 

[Trey Veston]

Reinforcing that image is the better option. Vcdl wasn't/isnt taken seriously with their methods, all the other groups are, however. Empty holsters are painted as extremists all the same so you are in our camp now anyhow boss. Gun owners need to be above reproach not because they are law abiding help an old lady across the street types but because of the awful repercussions facing those who would seek to disarm you. Starting with no more career politician life.



Because vcdl threw out a bunch of dictates everyone was supposed to abide by. Surprise, that ain't how a free country works. More bad vcdl decisions.



I will argue the methods they are employing are already more successful and all you can do is name call i.e "idiotic" and "loons". No one cared about empty holsterpalooza until more boogie oriented individuals broke ranks and are determined to show up armed to the teeth because people no longer care what a few fake news agencies portray them as or what some baby eating governor says they can and cant have. Regardless, even if I'm wrong you'll need idiots and loons to secure your rights once your methods have failed, and they have already begun to do so.

How exactly is reinforcing the image that gun owners are unstable violent extremists a "better option" than showing up in huge numbers and being peaceful and respectful?

I was just listening to the radio and the top of the hour broadcast by CBS included a breathless reporter saying that officials in VA are bracing for large numbers of extremist white supremacist gun owners showing up and inciting violence. They are going to spin this in the most negative light possible, no matter if 49,999 responsible gun owners show up unarmed and peaceful and one crazy shows up in full battle gear with a Klansmen patch. They will show images of that one guy over and over again.

I get that people are fed up. I'm fed up. I get that no matter how the rally goes or no matter how people act or look like, the media will spin it in a negative light.

Maybe I'm wrong that it still isn't the time to turn to violence and intimidation.

Maybe you are correct in asserting that showing up in full battle gear will instill enough fear into the politicians that they will back down from further gun grabbing attempts.

I guess we will see what happens tomorrow...

 

[Ignition Override]

Imagine, if the only people to show up were about five hundred people resembling Black Panthers carrying ARs, AKs, with long knives in sheaths against camo clothing.

Would That appear to be armed intimidation? This question is only meant to inspire contemplation and reflection.
I don't know what the best display should be, for tomorrow's peaceful protest.

What people >>believe<< they see, on videos, might be the only "info" they will have from the event, no matter how distorted the editing or comments, which are carefully composed (very often) to support a very deceptive agenda.

* All of the protestors should wear the same very nice clothing they would wear to a son or daughter's Wedding. Imagine the different visual impact. I'm very sincere.Visual impressions are what people remember--
--and there won't be a second chance for tomorrow. The protestors need to use their brains, instead of much emotion (don't we accuse the Other Side of doing this...?).

 

[AlexanderA]

I notice that tomorrow's event is getting a lot of coverage today on cable news. They are mentioning the gun issue only incidentally -- mostly, they are focusing on the racists and neo-Nazis that are supposed to be coming, and the fact that this is all occurring on Martin Luther King Day.

What made this turn of events possible was the decision to openly parade with guns. It's implied insurrectionism. That's what opened the floodgates to attract all the unsavory characters. And, of course, the media were all too happy to go with that framing.

I'm afraid that even if there is no tragic incident tomorrow, we have already lost the public relations battle. As pro-gun lawyer Tim Anderson put it in one of the CNN interviews, the main job of the gun owners, now, will be to extricate themselves from any association in the public's mind with the extremists. He stressed the point that gun owners are not at fault, and should not be blamed, for whatever bad happens. Yet, gun owners are partly at fault for failing to proactively see what was coming.

 

[lionking]

tomorrow's peaceful protest.

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I hope it is, man I hope it is. Because if it is not, it could cost us the next national election, not just state elections. And as some have mentioned, scheduling this on MLK day wasn't bright. If fringe elements show up with their own agenda other than 2 amendment rights, what unfolds on MLK day will just double down on the left's propaganda that avid vocal gun owners are violent and racist overall by nature .

 

[JERRY]

didn't Democrats infringe upon MLK's RKBA too? how ironic that on MLK day the Democrats are still doing it.

 

[lionking]

I don't know, there are a few gun owners on arf.com displaying what they are bringing to the rally, and it looks like they are going to war. Idiots.

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Some don't seem to realize or just care that this is a VISUAL public relations and propaganda events s much as a statement. We avid gun owners can't win elections without moderates, moderates that support the 2nd as a concept but aren't avid gun enthusiasts that go shooting all the time and collect guns and are active in various types of 2nd amendment activities.

This might offend some members here, you may call me a RHINO or a appeaser, but I worry about the guy that recites several times a day " the tree of liberty must be refreshed" and is ready to go down in his on history minds. as being the first guy that fired the first shot for freedom.

We need to project a image, because looks matter, impressions matter, and what do you think is a better image toward gaining more support from fellow Americans?

image A?


or image B?

 

[GBExpat]

... and the fact that this is all occurring on Martin Luther King Day. ...

Having been born and reared in Virginia I still think of the holiday as Lee-Jackson Day. I know, not PC.

 

[fireside44]

How exactly is reinforcing the image that gun owners are unstable violent extremists a "better option" than showing up in huge numbers and being peaceful and respectful?

You can be heavily armed and be peaceful and respectful.

Maybe I'm wrong that it still isn't the time to turn to violence and intimidation.

Maybe you are correct in asserting that showing up in full battle gear will instill enough fear into the politicians that they will back down from further gun grabbing attempts.

I guess we will see what happens tomorrow...

Intimidation should've been part of vcdl game plan, albeit unofficially. Violence isn't needed but a huge mob of heavily armed people surrounding the disarmed square area is a great idea and will be more effective overall. In fact, it prompted the emergency declaration. Which means if it goes south, there isn't an emergency to declare any longer. Gov Northam will be seen as having created a problem where there was none i.e overreaching legislation.

I'm afraid that even if there is no tragic incident tomorrow, we have already lost the public relations battle. As pro-gun lawyer Tim Anderson put it in one of the CNN interviews, the main job of the gun owners, now, will be to extricate themselves from any association in the public's mind with the extremists.

IOW, agree with "common sense" legislation...."long as they don't take MY guns"

Now that we have lost the public relations battle, a decade ago at least, we should be able to move forward, or at least consider other tactics. Demographics apparently keep us from trying something that might actually work. Instead I should be concerned about dressing like a school boy for tomorrow so I don't offend a lib who hates me for my beliefs, not my attire.

 

[KYregular]

I at first planned to attend but circumstances at home are keeping me here. My understanding is that many will be armed outside of the no gun zone. For all attending, stay frosty with your head on a swivel, I smell a setup.

 

[bdickens]

You sure could learn a lot from Dr. King....

 

[Ignition Override]

The main problem is usually the agitators on the Other side, who have the media cameras on Their Side and plan to hurl insults and make people feel defensive, which often brings people 'together' in a really bad way.

When the mainstream media can totally distort high school students' totally peaceful Inactions (Nick Sandmann), simply standing still in Washington DC while Wannabe Chief Sitting Bull---- tries to provoke him, imagine what the media can do with bearded, middle-aged men carrying black Sport Utility Rifles, who might be provoked into yelling counter-insults at the other side?

Again, If the pro-gun guys could dress much more as if they could be enroute to the Met Opera in NYC (my wife will be there in March), instead of worn blue jeans and "Don't Tread On Me" or i.e. "Make My Day!" t-shirts, the publics' perception would change, without a doubt.

 

[climbnjump]

As of 9am Central time, there is a Richmond TV station that is broadcasting live aerial shots of the rally. You can find it here: www.nbc12.com

ETA: There are using their news chopper, so I assume coverage will be sporadic. For the past few minutes, they have been showing shots of the bottom of the chopper as it flies - I'm assuming - back for fuel... Yep over the airport now. And the feed has ended for now at 9:27 Central time.

 

[Stevel]

This being Martin Luther King Jr. day I was re-reading "A letter from the Birmingham County Jail." I came across this quote which rung true in the case of the current situation in Virginia.

"Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. "

 

[climbnjump]

"Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. "

And that's why some want to convert the country from a Constitutional Republic to a straight Democracy. Because the definition of a Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

Looks real peaceful so far.

Live feed from Brietbart:

 

[Trey Veston]

So far, so good. But the media is doing exactly what I predicted they would do and feature photos of those who arrived in full battle gear... CNN and Fox both described the rally as peaceful while MSNBC described it as "tense".

MSNBC featured photo...