VA - "Cop-Killer" Gun: Horror or Hype?

[Joejojoba111]

I thought .45 was one of the easiest to catch?

Anyway I think everyone here understands the difference in 5.7 bullets, but the same old stuff is repeated over and over by people in the news.

Also a couple months ago there was a proposed bill posted on THR here, and I think that NOBLE group was involved. It might be the same one discussed now.

Here is the bad part of that bill - it measures handguns and their bullets' ability to penetrate minimal body armor. MINIMAL. GOD DAMN almost anything penetrates minimal armor.

Oh yea, also in the bill not only will the penetrating cartridge be banned, also the handguns that can fire it. !!!!!

!!!!!

 

[c_yeager]

Despite the antis having been able to ban certain kinds of ammo, they do not read into things. They don't seem to realize that the ammo they banned makes the Five-SeveN the same as any other handgun, so they want to ban the gun itself.

Unfortunatly some of the anecdotal testing done by gun owners has found that even the "tame" ammunition has a tendancy to punch through some vests, much like the 7.62x25. That shouldnt make the weapon illegal but it does provide the antis plenty of room to make their rhetoric.

 

[williamcrane]

FN five seven

BATF(E) has a statement on the handgun.

In response to numerous questions that ATF has received regarding the capabilities of the 5.7 X 28mm cartridge, the following technical information is provided.

FTB classified SS196 ammunition as not armor piercing.

The FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semiautomatic pistol in 5.7 X 28 mm caliber.

Type: Double Action Only or Single Action (in Tactical model).
Chambering: 5.7x28mm.
Length: 208 mm
Barrel length: 122.5 mm
Magazine: 20 rounds.

The FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semiautomatic pistol in 5.7 X 28 mm caliber approved for importation as a sporting firearm.

The classification of all ammunition is governed strictly by the definitions presented in the GCA. Specifically, as defined in 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(17)(B), the term "armor piercing ammunition" means-a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
FTB has also examined a 5.7 X 28 mm projectile that FN Herstal has designated the "SS196." The SS196 is loaded with a Hornady 40 grain, jacketed lead bullet. FTB classified SS196 ammunition as not armor piercing ammunition under Federal firearms statutes.

According to FNH USA, FN Herstal tested the SS192 ammunition. SS192 ammunition did not penetrate the Level IIIA vests that were tested. FNH USA states that SS196, Hornady V-Max 40 gr. bullets fired from a 4-3/4 inch barrel did not penetrate the Level II vests that were used in testing.

FNH USA has informed FTB that SS192 is no longer imported for commercial sale to the United States and that commercial sales of 5.7 X 28mm ammunition are restricted to the SS196 (not armor piercing).

FN Herstal 5.7 X 28mm Ammunition

SS190 - Armor piercing (AP)
SS191 - AP Tracer
SS192 - Hollow Point (not AP)
SB193 - AP Subsonic
SS195 - "Green" - lead free hollow point projectile with copper jacket (not AP)
SS196 - Sporting round (Hornady 40 gr. V-max, hollow point lead), (not AP)
10700004 Blank (not classified as ammunition under Federal law)
10700005 Dummy

 

[Ironbarr]

Had a reply to my email to the author... please

read my new thread at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=1688874#post1688874

Thanks.

-AndyB