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Va. Grants 60% More Permits For Guns...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Jolly Rogers, Apr 12, 2008.

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  1. Jolly Rogers

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    The Washington Post published an article this morning in the Metro section. Note the cut and paste would load all the ads too so here is the link:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103711.html
    The Post requires an email addy and password login but it is painless and hasn't resulted in spam.
    Kind of a non hysterical slant and I find this refreshing in the Post (known for a liberal bent)
    Joe
     
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  3. Jolly Rogers

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    Thanks Spyvie...Some day I'll learn to do that:D thanks for sifting out the trash.
    Joe
     
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    Way to go Virginians. Over 150,000 strong! I'm just sorry that it took so many tragedies for people to catch on. You just don't get to choose where something terrible is going to happen. The wife and I were watching a report one evening about a girl who fought off an ubduction when her car broke down and left her stranded. A local news station ran a special on how to defend yourself in a similar situation. They said use your keys or a pen or pencil as a weapon. No mention at all of actually carrying a weapon. :confused:
     
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    Last time I looked, VA had a population of approximatel 11 million people, so 150,000 permits is only about 1.4% of the population with permits. That doesn't cover all the gun owners who don't have permits and either don't CCW or open carry. The good news is that 1.4% is probably enough to keep the bad guys guessing, eh?
     
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    You've got to be kidding me. The Washington Post published that positive article?? Only one brief mention of a gun control advocate? I'm very shocked, and pleased.

    Definitely the best statement I've heard in a while.

    Actually, it wasn't so much positive as it was simply good reporting. Anyone have the writer's email?
     
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    I am half-kidding (but only half!) to note that you're wrong about that ;)

    They actually noted without snarkiness the opinions of gun-control advocates Joel Kliesen, Robert Jensen, Philip Van Cleave and James Plowman, as well as the petulant nonsense of evident dunderhead Ladd Everitt ...

    I hate to cede the useful phrase "gun control" to the prohibitionists, hand-wringers, and top-downers. They're more into "people control."

    timothy
     
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    A great article. It could have used more input from the antis to truly be "balanced", but it was at the least a truthful article.
     
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    What a fantastic article. Thanks for the link.
     
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    "Last time I looked, VA had a population of approximatel 11 million"

    Closer to 7.5.

    When I read the article this morning I wondered if their license numbers included renewals or just first time applicants.

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    Great article!
     
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    In terms of percent of population with carry permits.... my read of John Lott's work is that what makes a difference is being a shall issue CC jurisdiction. Based on the numbers, the deterrence of violent crimes comes when the bad guys do not know who is carrying, but only that some folks could be. The reduction in crime rate occurs even in the flrst year of shall issue laws, when the percent of population with permits it tiny. As the percent of permit issue goes up, the reduction in violent crimes does not change appreciably. The bad guys appear not to calculate odds on whether a CC is present based on percent of permits issued. They just react to the fact that any law abiding citizen can get one because it is shall issue.

    interestingly, neither open carry nor may issue CC laws have the same affect on crime rates as shall issue laws do. The numbers go down only when there is shall issue law.

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    <--part of that 60% increase.

    Actually, when I got my CHP the lady behind the counter (who, incidentally was cute) mentioned that they'd had a huge spike in applications (in Fairfax County, no less!) and wanted to know if there had been a big rally or something recently.
     
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    That comment, made by the author of the article impressed me the most. There could be so many ways to phrase that which would be demeaning or dismissing of the situation and he chose to include "met no resistance as he went from classroom to classroom firing." Bravo.

    Pops
     
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    The very best quote of the entire article:

    " the only person you can guarantee will be there if you're ever victimized by a criminal is . . . you."

    Thank God someone understands and knows how to verbalize it in one sentence.

    Chris
     
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    That is a great quote. He musta had that one filed away for just such a moment!
     
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    The only problem with the quote

    is that it says the police would like to be there. Recent rulings (no I don't have a link...) have been along the lines that the police do not have an obligation to protect you. So, regardless of an officer's personal desires, his department's policy doesn't require him to try to keep you from being hurt.

    The police are required to investigate crime, and try to put together evidence to apprehend/convict those who commit them. That is an after the fact service. (You're already hurt...)

    Maybe someday the media will admit this. The article is a good one, though.
     
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    Not that recent. Predates the DC gun ban by a year IIRC.
     
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