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VA: HB961 on Friday's agenda

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  1. badkarmamib

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    HB961 will be heard in committee tomorrow morning. For those who aren't aware, this is the ban. Time to email and/or call the committee members, and your district reps in case it gets through the committee.

    Bill text can be found here:
    https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB961

    Agenda: https://virginiageneralassembly.gov/house/agendas/agendaItem.php?id=2342&ses=201#

    Committee contacts: https://virginiageneralassembly.gov/house/members/members.php?committee=H15

    FWIW, when I contacted them, I asked them to refrain from giving me the pat response of, "Are you from my district?", as I have received before, and reminded them that their decision affects ALL Virginians.
     
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    Yikes! This should be the "line in the sand" for every gun owner. Hopefully the bill can be killed before it goes much further.
     
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    Here's a heads-up on what happened in the committee: the bill passed on a party-line vote. But the version that passed the committee is significantly different from what was introduced.

    1. "Assault weapons" legally owned on July 1st are grandfathered. Without registration. But they can't be transferred unless between family members or at the owner's death. (They can be sold out of state.)
    2. Silencers are outlawed, except for those in compliance with the NFA. Which makes this provision meaningless.
    3. The most onerous provision concerns magazines. Any magazine over 12 rounds becomes contraband on Jan. 1, 2021. No grandfathering.

    The bill still has to pass the full House, and then go over to the Senate. Its prospects there are not good (fortunately).
     
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    So this garbage got through Committee and now we have two more chances to kill it.

    Follow VCDL's guidance and keep flooding the politicians with polite, brief, concise calls, mail, email and meetings "I oppose any version of an AWB or magazine capacity ban and expect you to oppose them as well. Thank you..."
     
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    Next step is to get through a full-floor House vote, which it MUST do before Tuesday, so that it can be sent to the Senate. I got this email, which identifies 13 of the most-likely-to-be-swayed delegates (I think, but haven't confirmed, that they are the ones who barely won/were unopposed). CALL EVERY ONE NOW! Also, since they always want to know if you are in their district, the email covers that in the last paragraph:

    Fellow Virginians,
    As you read this, we are calling tens of thousands of gun owners in Virginia, urging them to call their elected State Delegates and tell them to vote NO on any form of House Bill 961, the Mass Gun Ban.

    And now we are asking you to do the same thing.

    You need act now and call every single Delegate on this list and tell them they must vote against House Bill 961, no matter what amendments are added or what changes are made.

    Tell them there is NO COMPROMISE!

    Delegate Dawn M. Adams-804-698-1068
    Delegate Hala S. Ayala-804-698-1051
    Delegate Lamont Bagby-804-698-1074
    Delegate David L. Bulova-804-698-1037
    Delegate Nancy Guy- 804-698-1083
    Delegate Roslyn Tyler- 804-698-1075
    Delegate C. E. (Cliff) Hayes Jr.-804-698-1077
    Delegate Lee J. Carter-804-698-1050
    Delegate Karrie K. Delaney- 804-698-1067
    Delegate Wendy Gooditis- 804-698-1010
    Delegate Stephen E. Heretick-804-698-1079
    Delegate Sally L. Hudson 804-698-1057
    Delegate Jerrauld C. (Jay) Jones-804-698-1089


    We often get asked if it matters if you are a resident of their districts or not. For all you have to say is that if they vote for House Bill 961 you will donate heavily to their opponent in the next election.

    So call now!
     
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    There was a floor amendment (by Del. Helmer) to make mere possession of over-12-round magazines a misdemeanor instead of a felony. With this small change, HB 961 is on track for final approval in the lower House on Tuesday. The last chance to stop it will be in the Senate.
     
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    Del Hayes has been inundated with requests to vote no. His arrogance in not replying to constituents will cost him.
    Start looking for a real job Cliff, you are done You ignored the wrong group.
     
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    I just received a long email from a Delegate, explaining why she's voting for the AWB (and the other antigun bills). It's all emotion-driven (her brother was shot in the heart by robbers), with no consideration for any rational cause-and-effect, or anything that would make the situation better in a practical sense. It's all a blind lashing out against guns and gun owners, who are exemplified by the "evil" NRA.

    The takeaway from this is that rational pro-gun arguments are going to fall on deaf ears. The only thing that will work with the Soccer Moms and their representatives is an equally emotional pro-gun appeal.
     
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    How do you ban silencers that aren't in compliance with NFA?

    How does taking "assault weapns" from law abiding people keep criminals from shooting people or other criminals with a handgun?

    How does punishing law abiding people for what criminals do make any sense?

    Guess the Democrats believe in guilty until proven innocent.
     
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    Here's the provision of the bill that concerns silencers:

    B. It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, transfer, manufacture, or purchase a silencer, provided that a person may transfer a silencer in accordance with the provisions of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.). A violation of this section is punishable as a Class 6 felony.
    The meaning is murky at best. Notice, first of all, that possession is not outlawed. (Possession of unregistered silencers would obviously violate federal law.) People currently owning silencers would not be affected. Secondly, the safe harbor of compliance with the NFA applies only to transfer. That means that purchase, sale, importation, or manufacture would still be illegal. Presumably, you could not purchase or sell a silencer after July 1 of this year, but a transfer pending before the ATF on that date could still go through. The ATF NFA Branch would be in the unenviable position of having to interpret the meaning of the state law.
     
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    So they decided that going around and confiscating, aka illegally transferring possession by force or threat of force of nfa items would be a bad idea.
     
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    Any updates on this morning's session? Anxiously awaiting news.
     
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    Does that limit also apply to rimfire like the 10/22? What about .22s with a tubular magazine under the barrel that hold more than 12?
     
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    They always have. :confused:
     
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    The version of HB 961 that passed the House defines "large capacity magazine" as follows:

    A. For purposes of this section, "large-capacity firearm magazine" means any firearm magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has the capacity of, or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 12 rounds of ammunition. "Large-capacity firearm magazine" does not include (i) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accept more than 12 rounds of ammunition or (ii) an attached tubular device designed to accept and only capable of operating with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

    So, yes, the ban includes .22 rimfire magazines (over 12 rounds) except for attached tubular magazines.

    I believe this to be a negotiating ploy so that the antis can give way on this so that the rest of the bill can pass the Senate. There's a multidimensional chess being played here.
     
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