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VA Tech families make a statement

Discussion in 'Legal' started by ZeSpectre, Jun 12, 2007.

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  1. ZeSpectre

    ZeSpectre Member

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  2. 30 cal slob

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    ya know, regardless, i feel awful for the parents.
     
  3. ZeSpectre

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    Me too, but that doesn't change the fact that it was the right call to exclude these people from the panel. They are far too emotionally involved to come to any sort of a rational decision or conclusion. This whole statement can be summed up as...

    They are upset.
    They want the answers that they want and they'll trample anything in their way in order to get them.
    They need a concrete set of scapegoats that can be "punished" so that they feel like they have some control over this situation.

    I completely understand the reaction(s) but they are based on grief, not logic.
     
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    Wow. I was with them up until the anti-gun comments. Sorry folks, they aren't to blame. Cho is.
     
  5. eric_t12

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    everyone knows the guns made him do it

    where have you guys been /sarcasm

    regardless of any of the above, i do feel for them. i don't know what i would feel if my child was shot by a lunatic, but i can guarantee i wouldn't blame anyone except the person who did it, and the people who didn't allow my child to carry for his and others' defense.
     
  6. buzz_knox

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    Translation: "We aren't advocating any solution, but we are sure going to campaign against the most effective one."

    As for "sensible gun control measures," someone's been reading the Brady handbook
     
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    I've got a bad feeling about this Kane-chartered panel, even without the grief-stricken families as part of it. I don't believe there's a single RKBA champion on it. Stand by.

    TC
     
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    How are guns on campus the problem?

    Out of tens of thousands of students, only 1 had one.
     
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    TR- That is the most concise comment I have seen in a while. I would say send that to Oleg and see if there is a poster in it.
     
  10. theleveloftime

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    If you fight like a man, you never have to die like a dog.
    This requires you have arms.
    Here ends the lesson.
    Post Script to lesson:
    Does anyone suppose that if the heroic professor who held the door against the madman so his students could flee for their lives had been armed he would have given Cho some hot lead? I do, he was a man and did not die like a dog!
     
  11. SANman

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    ....because banning guns from campus completely was an effective deterrent for the criminal element/whack jobs.

    Oh, wait a minute. That didn't work, and may have even contributed to the problem.:banghead:
     
  12. Henry Bowman

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    I feel for you, but when Cho started shooting, who was called for help? Men with guns.
     
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    Since the ban did not work the first time maybe they should double ban them?
     
  14. Sistema1927

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    Too bad that nobody on the panel will have the guts to tell them:

    "Do you want to know why your loved ones are dead? They are dead because they were convenient targets in a victim rich environment and were barred by regulation from possessing the means to protect themselves."
     
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    In the VT aftermath there have been numerous articles about the problems with the US gun culture, and I agree that we do have 1 HUGE problem with the gun culture in our country........ Not enough of the right people have them.

    Some churches, our schools, our jobs, and especially our Government is doing all that it can to take the ability to defend ourselves AWAY! It is time that is does stop, I propose that we start a STOP THE MADNESS crusade.

    Stop the madness carry concealed!
     
  16. ZeSpectre

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    Wow, I think Henry Bowman hit it right on the head. In fact this scenario proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that having more guns on campus DID improve the situation. Cho was certainly forced to stop his rampage when OTHER armed individuals showed up.
     
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    Disarming the potential VICTIMS to prevent violence makes as much sense as using chum as shark repellent.
     
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    Delete duplicate post
     
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    According to the Washington Post article, the family of 13 want more gun control.

     
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    I'll repeat what I said in post #3
    any other answers just won't do for them. It's called denial (see stages of grief).

    Which, again, is exactly why they must be EXCLUDED from any policy decisions right now.
     
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    32 - 13 families leaves = 19! Probably 19 VT families that did not agree with their so-called sensible gun control.
     
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    I think a working background check system would be both Constitutional and reasonable, but beyond that mehhhhhhhhhhhhh
     
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    ZeSpectre nailed it. These people are fueled, perhaps understandably so, by raw emotion. And that does not make for sound policy- or law-making.

    Kaine may have stacked this panel with apologists for the continued victim-disarmament zones, and nothing but mischief is likely to come of it. But he did one thing right in keeping the families the heck away from it.
     
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    IMHO, this letter is pretty meaningless. It sounds like these families are at the anger stage of the grieving process and have decided to lash out at pretty much everyone remotely associated with the deaths of their loved ones -- the review panel, the Governor, the government, the university, people who have contributed money, etc.

    I think this letter makes it very clear why the families were excluded from the panel. The review panel is supposed to make their findings and recommendations based on facts and not on emotions.

    I've known families who have lost children, and the intense anger, depression, frustration, and feeling of total helplessness that seems to last forever is overwhelming. They deserve sympathy, not criticism, even if we disagree with their opinions.
     
  25. illspirit

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    Panel seems like a total farce. They've also had some crazy guy in there a couple of times saying it's all the fault of video games, even though none of Cho's roommates ever saw him playing any. How many inanimate objects do they plan to shift the blame onto?
     
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