Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by sabbfan, Mar 25, 2021.
.224 Valkyrie, 6 creedmoor are recent developments in the long range game with fast twist for heavy high-BC boattails. I am sure they will do anything to a groundhog or coyote that needs doing.
204 Ruger is an odd mutant caliber derivative of .222 Magnum and I wouldn't fool with it.
6.5 Grendel was developed to add some punch to the AR and while you could get it in a bolt action, there are so many others.
I think I would look at the rifles first and then see what .22 or .24 caliber the one I liked was available in.
22-250 is a good second choice.
There's more good components and data for these two cartridges than probably any other two cartridges. There's also more factory ammo avaliable than most others. They're popular for a reason.
A fast twist 22-250AI if you want to burn barrels out and have the only one on the block.
My choice was / is a modernized 22-250, using a 1:8" twist rate barrel; it shoots 55gr-80gr very well indeed.
But, if we are just trying to be different yet still practical, I think I would go the 22-250 route.
If we are just trying to be different I would go 223WSSM. I actually have one and finding brass is near impossible.
and the Ruger Mini-14). I'm a really big hunter and spend a lot of time in the woods even outside of deer season chasing all sorts of varmint (and yes, I eat them all!).
That said, I'm going to go against the grain here and make two other suggestions.
I would highly encourage an 17 HMR for varmint, but only exception being that you shouldn't try to take coyote out beyond 100 yards with it.
Similarly, I am a really big fan of the 22 magnum. The first handgun I ever shot was a Heritage Rough Rider that had an interchangeable cylinder. I since fell in love with .22 WMR and have been a big advocate for it. That said, I also encourage you not to try to take it out past 100 yards for coyote (with a rifle, of course).
The .223 is great and all but the prices for these bullets are outrageous. Then, every time the mainstream media sensationalizes an act of violence committed with an AR-15, you easily see a 15% raise in ammo for the next 3 ~ 6 weeks. You won't have that problem with the .17 and the 22 WMR. Not only that, but the rifles are much cheaper.
The 223, 224valk, 204 Ruger, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, and 6 ARC are all “mini length” cartridges, designed to function within the 2.3” magazine of the AR-15. These are available or obtainable in bolt guns, but unfortunately, none are common, and none truly align with what I want in a coyote or varmint rifle. Great cartridges, but this class would not be my first choice OTHER than 223rem. I own or have owned all of these cartridges in AR’s, and for the one and done guy looking for something pretty casual yet versatile, the 223rem is the ONE I would recommend, and the ONE I would get myself (and frankly, is the ONE I did get for my wife for this exact purpose - a Savage 12 BVSS 223rem).
In standard short action lengths, 6 creed, 243win, 22-250, a distant second runner up to the 223rem, I would choose a 6 creed, with a 243win behind it, and a gracious tip of the hat to a 6 Dasher and a 6GT behind that. The 6 creed has the performance and versatility I have always wanted from the 243win, but in factory rifles and ammo. An easy button for the one and done guy. The 243win is more readily available, and does perform well, albeit stuck with lighter bullets. The Dasher (a 6BR variant) and the GT have better barrel life than either of these faster 6mm’s, but are really a reloading-only proposition. For a high volume plinker who reloads but doesn’t want to change barrels in their factory rifle often, or maybe ever, a Dasher or GT might move to the front of my list in front of the Creed or 243win, but again still behind the 223rem.
@Varminterror beat me to it. For me, it depends on distance. Out to 300 yards, .223 with no second thought. 500 or more, I'd go with a 6 mm. I currently have a couple .243 Ackleys, but if I were starting from scratch, I'd probably go with a 6 mm Creedmoor for varmints. Between 300 and 500, take your pick.
I have or have had rifles in about all the popular calibers. For some reason though, I tend to gravitate towards the less popular options. I don't know what my next rifle will be, but I know it won't be a .223 (though I do believe everybody should have one...or 4). Possibly a .22-250 AI, but I'd love to find another M77MkII Varmint in .220 Swift.
I’ve always wanted a No. 1, that is an awesome collection!
any of the 6mm would also be a good choice. either 6br based like natureboy said, or 6xc or 6cm.
A guy here got one of the first run of 77V Swifts, rumored to have Douglas barrels.
It was extremely accurate, so accurate that he quit hunting varmints with it and shot it in a stock gun benchrest match. He won more than the rifle's cost while the throat lasted.
Mine may have been the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. It was a toss up between that and the 22-250 that looked identical. That was back when I thought I should own one of every caliber M77 ever made, including the 77V's. In reality, I don't have a shooting area large enough to justify anything bigger than 22 Mag these days.
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