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Vaseline? Hollow points?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Ralphpeters, Jan 22, 2005.

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  1. Ralphpeters

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    Is there any advantage with filling the cavities of hollow points with vaseline?
    Will this help expansion and keep it clear of debrie?
     
  2. Hhrshooter

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    There sure is! Goto prison, three squares a day, cigarettes replace cash, and Bubba thinks your sexy! :D

    It isn't a good idea for a few reasons:
    1. Vaseline will melt. Possible damage to weapon and self!
    2. A Court case would probably grant you a vacation trip (all expenses paid).
    3. It might sound good, but performance would be affected in an adverse way.
     
  3. Solo

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    No advantage.
     
  4. stans

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    Attracts much more dirt and debris. And yeah, doing something like that might not sit too well with a jury. If you packed them with Vaseline, what else might you have put in them? Arsenic? Ricin?
     
  5. pezo

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    yes self modifying weapons or ammo for better man killing capablitites is NOT a good idea, gives the impression you were looking for trouble if you were ever in a self defense situation. Having the hammer cocked on a firearm even has been considered as predetermined intent to use it, Ive been told.
     
  6. Double Naught Spy

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    Hhrshooter's claims of causing you to go to jail are unfounded, unless maybe you live in a state where vaseline filled hollowpoints are illegal. Otherwise, either you have the right to use lethal force, or you don't. If you do, you can use cyanide to fill hollowpoints if you like, or anything else.

    As noted, however, vaseline melts, it won't stay in the little hollowpoint cup, and so there isn't any real good reason to have it there. None of the manufacturers use anything like that. The do use stuff like a silicon ball inside EFMJ or a little plastic ball in CorBon Powerball rounds, but nothing like Vaseline.
     
  7. DMF

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    :rolleyes: Told by whom? If lethal force is justified, then the instrument used to deliver that force does not matter. The question the jury must answer is, "was lethal force justified," NOT "was the gun/ammo too deadly?"
     
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    I tried to do this with .22 LR HP after reading about it somewhere. My goal was to shoot a few jackrabbits to see if it enhanced performance.
    First of all, it is very difficult to get the vasoline into the hollowpoint cavity (on a .22LR). I started off by melting it in the microwave. This isn't easy, it melts but not readily. I then drew it up in a syringe. It cooled to a solid almost immediately, so I could get maybe one or two bullets done before it solidified.
    To make a long story even longer, they are still sitting right where I filled them and I never shot anything with them.

    Oh, and I didn't see anything at all in the original post about shooting humans with these bullets. Instead of practical advice, he got legal advice.
     
  9. Glock19Fan

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    Hello.

    I have no experience using Vasoline with anything involving guns, however, I have dont a little experimenting with HP airgun pellets and clay/wax, just to find out what would be most effective on pigeons.

    After hundreds of shots, comparing wax and clay to a normal HP, I found that the clay and wax really does help out, but not that much at high velocities. However, at low velocities, and through cloth, the difference is quite clear.

    However, unlike what most people would think, this does not make the bullet/pellet expand to a larger diameter. They simply make them expand quicker, or, in some case, fragment more.

    I havent tried it, but I bet a .22LR cartridge, a Paco tool, and a ball of wax would make a very good hunting round.

    (You should keep in mind that filling any bullet with anything will add weight, which can cuase the pressures to increase to extreme limits. I do not recommend anyone try this).
     
  10. whm1974

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    I wouldn't do it. During the trial the DA will use this to make you look like YOU WANTED to kill someone. Even if you win this one, you will also face a civil suit.

    Stick to factory ammo. If you can use what the police carry or get some plain JHP.

    -Bill
     
  11. dev_null

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    I wanna try Henry Bowman's trick of putting lighter flints in the hollowpoint of a .22! :D
     
  12. SkyDaver

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    I tried the flint thing; unsuccessfully.

    Had to drill out the hollow point to get the flint to fit ... didn't see any sparks when it hit (although it was daytime)

    Way too much work to be fun, don't even know if it was successful.
     
  13. Hypnogator

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    Back in the olden days when the only 230-gr HP bullets available for .45 ACP were from Norma (barely better than FMJs) I experimented with hollowing out the point a bit more with a drill press, then inserting a magnum small rifle primer upside down into the resulting cavity. Inasmuch as the drilling left a small flange of lead around the hole, it fit nicely when pressed over the edge of the primer, holding it securely in the bullet.

    Test fired hardball, which penetrated about 3/4 of the way through an old Dun & Bradstreet book (about 6"). The "explosive" bullet blew a hole the size of the palm of my hand out of the rear of the same sized book. :eek: :what: :eek:

    Never carried them for real, though. Nowadays, I'm happy with 230-gr HydraShoks. ;)
     
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    Everytime this comes up, or using reloaded ammo for SD, people crawl out of the walls to say that it will get you put in jail. Find me ONE case where a person was convicted of murder because of the ammo they used. It's a possibility but it's about as overblown as over-penetration, "stopping power", and "energy dump" combined.
     
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    Does this by chance have anything to do with the use of a rubber french maid outfit?
     
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    I always wondered if that was possible to do! One of my Gunsmith Cats comics has a dude in it with "exploder" bullets; basically just a hollowpoint filled with a bit of gunpowder and topped with a primer. He intended to shoot a gascan with it. I thought it was pretty clever, and also pretty cool that the author knew that firing regular bullets at a gascan would likely not cause an explosion.

    That said, I have experimented with gunpowder filled arrows. :neener:
     
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    I did the same thing with a drill bit and a Corbon 357Sig hollowpoint. The primer actually fit in there nice and tight. Didn't have the nads to shoot it though. :scrutiny:
     
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    Correct, it's never really happened.

    Besides, If it came to my life or a long court case, I'll do the time in court....I'm worth it. Besides that, spend more timne on good bullets and save the vaseline for....um...... round nose penetration.
     
  19. thorn726

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    oh boy do you really want to know what to tip them with????/

    i forget exactly , i can ask.
    isnt it the tips from nail sets?
    hehe that i think will get you in trouble though, hopefully im wrong.
     
  20. geekWithA.45

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    With all the handwringing about HP's not expanding because they get clogged with cloth and coat on the way in, I'm not real sure what the advantage of pre clogging them might be.
     
  21. dev_null

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    > save the vaseline for....um...... round nose penetration.

    ROFLOL!
     
  22. Tomac

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    That's why I use Federal's Expanding FMJ in my .45, no HP to damage or clog. True, it may not expand as far as the best HP's under ideal conditions or have as many sharp edges but it will always expand regardless of what it hits.
    Tomac
     
  23. one-shot-one

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    i got to say that doing anything to alter the weight of a bullet without matching the powder charge to match (using proper reloading tables) is asure way to eventually ruin a gun, your hand, and or you life. bullet weight and powder charges when changed cause pressure changes and not always in the direction that you would think. ie. making the bullet lighter does not automatically lower pressure because powders for lighter bullets burn at a different rate.
     
  24. USP45usp

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    This reminds me of a person that I met down at the river in GA (unofficial firing range) that had BB's glued into the hollow points in his 9mm ammo "so that it has more knockdown power".

    I couldn't shoot straight after that one, the tears from my laughter made it hard to see :D

    Wayne
     
  25. RyanM

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    I'm pretty sure pre-filling hollowpoints with something (wax would probably work best) would make them perform better through heavy clothing. The problem with clothing is the cloth goes into the hollowpoint cavity and clogs it up, inhibiting expansion because cloth doesn't transmit hydrodynamic pressure too well. Wax, vaseline, or another semi-solid would prevent cloth from entering the cavity, but still transmit hydrodynamic pressure enough to cause the bullet to expand.

    Though I'd rather find a bullet that expands after penetrating through cloth on its own, instead of trying to get an inferior round up to spec.

    And I seriously doubt that 1/2 grain of vaseline could possibly change the weight enough to ruin a gun, etc. Most commercial bullets have a variance of + or - 3 grains to begin with.
     
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