"In this particular scenario", the threat is a moving vehicle. Shooting the driver is not a viable way to stop the threat.What’s wrong with a discussion that allows the tactic of stopping the threat in this particular scenario?
I know of no accepted tatcics that involve shooting the driver of a moving vehicle. Obviously, a moving vehicle remains very dangerous, whether the driver is impaired or not.Stopping intentional deadly force (to wit a suspect using a vehicle as a deadly weapon) has been done before and will be done again by the intended victim using a handgun to stop the driver of said vehicle.
I hope that you understood at the time that the purpose was not to stop a moving vehicle that was being used as a weapn, but to defend against gunmen in a car that is not moving.I have had very recent training involving shooting live rounds into vehicles.
Screen fiction? There are plenty of examples of police officers with handguns shooting at suspects in cars, using the justification that the car is moving toward them.Shooting at moving cars may make good screen fiction, but it is a terrible idea. We should not learn our tactics from screen fiction.
You're right. It does happen and it does get discussed in police circles when the topic of deadly force comes up. A vehicle can be used as a deadly weapon justifying deadly force in defense. Not usually the most effective tactic but it happens and it isn't rare.Screen fiction? There are plenty of examples of police officers with handguns shooting at suspects in cars, using the justification that the car is moving toward them.
I only had to go back a about a month to find the last time this tactic was employed by trained police officers, just in New Orleans. It happened 12/4. Spoiler alert- the stolen car still hit a police car and a bystander's car and was found later abandoned.
I don't think it's ever worked, so it's not a good solution to the problem. But the idea that people are getting this from bad TV? They're getting it from actual police work.
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When might it ever be the most effective tactic?Not usually the most effective tactic but it happens and it isn't rare.
When might it ever be the most effective tactic?
"In this particular scenario", the threat is a moving vehicle. Shooting the driver is not a viable way to stop the threat.
I know of no accepted tatcics that involve shooting the driver of a moving vehicle.
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When might it ever be the most effective tactic?
Meaningless in any other case. Depending on one grand jury decision in another jurisdiction to justify a similar action is legal folly. Another prosecutor might not present the case in the same way. The people sitting on your grand jury might look at the situation differently.A Wallowa County grand jury ruled that Harrell's actions were justified. What do you think?
Penetration is only a small part of the equation. Most bullets will penetrate auto glass. It's deflection that you need to take into account. Deflection is affected by the angle the bullet hits the windshield. Windshields have different angles on different makes and models of vehicles. There are no magic windshield penetrating bullets. The military spent a lot of tax dollars trying to develop a 5.56 mm round that would reliably work on vehicles at the start of the GWOT. They never did come up with a totally acceptable solution.Gold Dot appears to perform well against auto glass.
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Okay. Go for the timing chain.IF I ever have to use a weapon on somebody in a vehicle, I'll be shooting for the engine. Not the radiator, but the timing or fuel system that's behind the radiator. Then it's run, run, run away to the side. Hit the timing chain or belt and the engine stops violently.
Fantasy.IF I ever have to use a weapon on somebody in a vehicle, I'll be shooting for the engine. Not the radiator, but the timing or fuel system that's behind the radiator. Then it's run, run, run away to the side. Hit the timing chain or belt and the engine stops violently.
I struggle with this everytime I'm with my family in a public setting.It's important also to consider that running away may not even be an option if part of thick enough crowd of people. Be careful not to set yourself up for a situation where all you can do is stand there and take it.
Where is the chain on an F-150 Lightning anyway?