VEPR II .308 vs. DPMS 16" AP4 carbine vs. CETME?

[wally]

I've yet to see a working CETME.

Then you must be blind. I've two that are 100% reliable. They are not hard to find at ~$400 or a bit less. Do your homework and know what to look for and its not hard to find a good one. OTOH if you order sight unseen at the lowest possible price you are pretty much certain to get one of the bad ones.

Biggest + for CETME and FAL(metric) is cheap and widely available spare mags -- very important for a plinker/blaster IMHO. Most of the "newer" CAI CETMEs with black furniture also take HK91/G3 mags which can be found for <$2 each in aluminum.

--wally.

 

[Father Knows Best]

HK91/G3 mags which can be found for <$2 each in aluminum

+1. I've got more mags (32 in all, which cost me a grand total of around $50) for my PTR-91 than all my other black rifles combined, because they are plentiful and cheap. Used FAL mags cost $8-15 each, and AK mags are typically $12-25.

 

[atblis]

Homework???

"Blind". Nope. I've just shot three different CETMEs and none of them could make it through a 20rnd mag with out some sort of malfunction (I'll admit that CAI might have more to do with it than the basic design). Apparently this isn't an uncommon experience.

Make sure you've shot an HK/Cetme before buying one, because they are definitely not for everyone. The real HKs I've shot (PTR91 looks to be just as nice) have been functionally flawless, though I've never been able to figure out how the price tag is justified.

I think the HK mags are really cheap because there are crap load of them, and not that many people own rifles that use them (supply and demand I suppose).