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Vepr K 545.39 Legal to own in NJ?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by MinMAN, Feb 17, 2006.

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  1. MinMAN

    MinMAN Member

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    I have read through the state laws, and am having a hard time coming to a definitive answerer. Any help would me much appreciated.
     
  2. TF_FH

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    Heres what NJ considers "Assault Firearms"

    Sorry man, looks like you can't get that new toy. You gotta love terms like "substantially identical" though. :cuss:
     
  3. Nathaniel Firethorn

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    That term is so vague as to be meaningless. I believe I remember someone selling a Vepr with hunting-rifle-style wood furniture and it was OK. But now I can't dig up the link.

    - NF
     
  4. TF_FH

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    Intentionally vague. People do that so that nobody knows what to do. Some days I miss NJ, but other days I am just happy I can have my guns.

    (Right now I don't have any guns that are banned in NJ, but that will change shortly.)

    And Nathaniel, what exit is 8A again? It's been a while. I used to be 14A.
     
  5. MinMAN

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    I saw one for sale in a New Jersey gun shop. It was too hard to pass up.:eek:
     
  6. Nathaniel Firethorn

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    8A is around Hightstown. The closest one to me.

    BTW, what I was thinking of was (likely) a WASR-10.

    - NF
     
  7. TF_FH

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    I guess you might be ok then. However, I still don't know what a cop would say about it if one saw you at the range with it.
     
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    "Can I shoot it a little?" :D

    In my experience, the cops that actually put in time on a civilian range are OK. There are exceptions (like the police cheif who thought he could violate a club's rules... :mad: )

    - NF
     
  9. MinMAN

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    :confused: :barf: :cuss: :banghead:

    Getting mixed messages from Cherry Ridge Gun club.
     
  10. TF_FH

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    I had the joy of dealing with one of the sheriffs out here in my area. They aren't very well liked out here beacuse they tend to think they are superior.
    This guy was giving me and CommissarGribb a hard time because somehow our rounds were ricocheting into the police only range.
    (Only way I could see them even going near where they were shooting was if after it hit the berm it deflected up and fell down over the 20 foot dirt walls to either side.)

    Guess I delt with one of those exceptions. :cuss:
     
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    my gun store sells a ROMAK. And a gun dealer I know was selling 1 to. I think they are the ones that ONLY except 10 rd mags though. One was 800 dollars!!! In PA, a regular AK47 with 75rd drum was 300:cuss:
     
  12. MinMAN

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    I just have three 10rnd, and two 5rd mags for it. I sure hope I can keep it.
    A very well made rifle, good for target shooting, maybe Varmint hunting too.
     
  13. Kodiaz

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    Hey I used to shoot at Cherry ridge. My dad still does. We'd go early go shoot skeet and then walk thru where grass at the range and pick up all the unbroken skeet. Cherry ridge oh that brings back memories.


    If my dad saw my new toy he'd fall over.

    Hey Minman not only can I own an Evil Black Rifle but I get my ammo through the mail saving me time and trouble. It's good to be a citizen of the U.S. of A.
     

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    Sorry mate, the NJ DOJ specified the meaning of "substantially identical" back in 1996. This is still current I beleive.

     
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    If you didn't identify yourself as LEO, how did this FFL sell you this? I haven't been to every NJ FFL but the ones that I have only sell or carry legal product for their customers (the NJ resident) to own.
     
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    Minman if you are buying dangerous assault weapons you obviously work and support the 2A. You should move to a free state like Fl and purchase any weapon you like. Without having to beg the state for permission.


    Also no state income tax in Fl either. Stop paying NJ to oppress you, move out.
     
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    I just sent my AK off to tromix to get it de-bannified. I'm hoping to get a 308 suppressor for it when I get back. If the 86 ban went away I would be set for life.

    For some reason, I really want a belt fed MG, but not enough to pay 40 grand for one. A 308 caliber MG42 would be awesome.
     
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    I agree with kodiaz except

    move to Reno NV, here you don't need a permit to carry open or concealed in your car, though you need ccw to carry concealed just walking around.

    Palm Beach is too humid in the summer:neener:

    also you can have your rifles in the car too! I carry an AR15 sometimes, you just can't have one in the pipe. Also unlike florida you can go to a nightclub to see your favorite punk rock or tony bennet type music and if your in a bar your still legal to ccw. printing isn't a problem here either...I was wearing my glock with a tee shirt over it, very obvious I was packing...my tee shirt read "guns dont kill people. people with mustaches kill people"...

    I have a mustache, the cops looked at me, read the tee shirt, saw I was packing and just smiled and said "hi"...

    but please move out of NJ and live free, it's worth it!
     
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    Car carry doesnt require a permit in FL either.
     
  20. MinMAN

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    Posted by "beerslurpy"

    A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria:

    A. semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following:

    1. a folding or telescoping stock;
    2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
    3. a bayonet mount;
    4. a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
    5. a grenade launcher;


    My Vepr only has item #2. So according to that, it's legal.
     
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    Youve found low-cap mags for a 5.45x39 AK?
     
  22. MinMAN

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    Yes, robarm.com has them. They are not listed on their site. But If you call, they have a few.
     
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    MinMAN,

    VEPR-K is Legal BUT you can NOT have a threaded barrel, flashhider, or folding, telescoping stock.. If you get the basic no extra model you are ok.. oh and no >15 round mags.
     
  24. MinMAN

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    On that note, I think I will polish up the trigger contacts with my dremel tool, and see if I can get a better two stage trigger out of it. It feels like a four stage trigger the way it is.:D

    Thank you for all your responses. They have been very helpful.
     
  25. geekWithA.45

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    The "substantially identical" phrase was shot down in court as being unconstitutionally vague.

    This was one of the _few_ progun court rulings in the state.

    IIRC, it turned on the notion that "post-ban" models of banned guns did NOT have all the evil features of their pre-ban predecessors, and therefore where NOT identical in form or function. Unfortunately, it left the loophole that "post-ban" models bearing the same _name_ as their preban predecessors where still banned, even though their form and function was no longer identical.

    Go figure.

    Subsequently, the AG issued a letter clarifying that for NJ, an AW is one of the listed models, or an unlisted model having more than 2 "evil features".
     
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