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Verbal terms causing personal offense

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Hook686, Jun 24, 2005.

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  1. Hook686

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    preacherman wrote:
    I humbly ask that this form of "Good manners" and respect apply to all topics and personal beliefs. I am often stunned by the terms and attitudes used on this forum towards "Liberals". I am a politically liberal individual, and am greatly offended when I read such negative judgements. As with the reference to some folks belief in God being a point of offending, when the term is used in a negative manner, could the same be applied to those of us who may be "Liberal" in our political views ?


    Please do not misuse the term "Liberal", and please do not disrespect those that practice that political persuasion.
    Hook686
     
  2. peacefuljeffrey

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    Or, you could just recongnize that other people have the right to not respect you, your beliefs, your views, your ideology... and just get over it.

    Why do you believe that you are entitled to protection by the powers that be from insult or derogation?

    Maybe we should all declare ourselves a protected class unto ourselves and get the nannies to pass an edict that nobody may say anything mean about us. :rolleyes:

    But no. Once again, my advice is to get over it.


    -Jeffrey
     
  3. nico

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    jeffrey, keep in mind that the idea on THR is to attack the idea, NOT the person.


    Hook, welcome to THR.
    edit: I'm not sure what you mean by "misuse" but most of the time I see "liberal" mentioned here (I try not to use labels like "liberal" and "conservative" personally), it's in the context of a specific action being done by a self-proclaimed liberal.
    If by "misuse" you mean calling the modern national Democrats "liberals," that's the label they give themselves, and it'd be hard to argue that most modern "liberals" align themselves with the Democrats (or the Greens).
     
  4. bigun15

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    As long as people breathe, there will be arguments, name calling, debates, fights, etc.
     
  5. mattw

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    I think you're over reacting.. sooner or later everyone gets offended for one reason or another.. no one singled you out and picked on you so I do not think it is fair to make everyone be afraid to offend anyone. If you can get this offended over something you read that was written by people that you do not know on the internet then i suggest you learn to let things slide.. in my opinion you are being obtuse. Accept that people dissagree and be adult about it, don't clog up the boards with this stuff, PM an admin.
     
  6. Cesiumsponge

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    I think in the heat of an active discussion or debate, people will tend to get a bit emotional and there will always be some shoulder-rubbing and it is difficult to avoid.

    Trying to be respectful to the opposing view can be difficult, as I'm sure many of you have argued passionately and felt that "wall" from the other side that can get your blood boiling. This is especially true when a majority of people in a particular group (like THR) share a common view and the minority is constantly bombarded by degrading stereotypes. I'm sure all of us have been in that minority in one point and time. No matter what, there will always be someone who disagrees and ends up in the minority as a fact of life. A thick skin becomes useful in many occasions...otherwise one will spend life being offended by a great many thing.

    I don't think my post helps out much other than pointing out the obvious. I try to respect others since it is the way I'd like to be treated. However there is a point where being polite in general turns into the uber-PCness super sensitivity. I try not to go around calling people arseholes and making personal attacks but I draw the line at calling manhole covers "personhole covers".
     
  7. Vernal45

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    +1

    You have rights, And I, along with most of us here at THR will fight for your rights. But others also have the right not to tolerate you, your views, your opinions or anything else about you.
     
  8. bogie

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    As a proud Jeffersonian Liberal, I really _hate_ to see the term "liberal" used as an insult.

    Not all "liberals" are bad. And many well-meaning, but not that mature, induhviduals have just not been educated.
     
  9. mnrivrat

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    I've never quite understood the title liberal or conservitive when it comes to human beings . ( or aliens for that matter ) Can't I be a conservitive liberal ?

    I haven't seen the document yet that realy lays out all the differences required to be put in one slot vs the other , and who made up the rule that you can't have a personality that is subject to both ways of thinking depending on the topic ?

    And for that matter - who the hell cares ? I'm on a gun related board and what's important to me is topics related to firearms, their use, general information, safety, and the politics related to 2nd amendment issues.

    Am I missing something here ? I see the spelling and grammer police chimming in and ask myself what point related to firearms are they trying to make ?

    This may not make me popular , but I look at the same thing going on here with things like liberal vs conservative . I don't get it ! Are all liberals anti-gun and all conservatives pro-gun ? If that's so , how was that determined ?

    :confused:
     
  10. TonkinTwentyMil

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    Well, then...

    Would anyone out there who voted for Kerry/Gore/Clinton in the last 3 elections be offended if I referred to them as...

    Pacifist/Conflict-averse...

    Ballistically-illiterate...

    Anti-Gun...

    Cultural elitist...

    Politically-Correct/Thought-Controlling...

    MainStreamMedia bedazzled...

    Tax-and-Spend...

    For The Children/The Common Good, etcetera...

    EURO-SOCIALISTS?

    Alternately, I'm open to being persuaded that "Liberal" somehow doesn't apply to 90% + of those fitting the above sub-sets.

    I await your evidence, Hook.
     
  11. GunnyBob

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    "Anyone under the age of 30 who is NOT a liberal has no heart. Anyone over the age of 30 who IS a liberal has no brain."

    Winston Churchill
     
  12. The_Antibubba

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    Ahh, but Liberals aren't really human beings, so there isn't a problem. :rolleyes:
     
  13. only1asterisk

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    Fat chance! Do you have any idea the asinine things people believe? Do you think that simply holding a position should somehow make it valid?


    David
     
  14. ulflyer

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    Tonkin20mil:

    Other than "anti-gun"....the rest sounds pretty much like my idea of a Republican.
     
  15. Browns Fan

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    This IS a GUN forum, right? Arent all anti-gun types liberal? So, liberals are fair game.
     
  16. Matthew748

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    My advice is to just roll with the punches and move on. I know that's what I do. Even when they are available, I have never felt the need to cry on the shoulder of a sympathetic mod when I feel offended by someone else's actions.
     
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    Hook686,
    I don't know where you got the idea that you have a right to not be offended, but the sooner you disabuse yourself of that notion, the easier life will be.
    PC is not held in high regard on THR.
    Oh, and welcome! I hope that you find your stay here worthwhile.
     
  18. Tory

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    Misattribution?

    ""Anyone under the age of 30 who is NOT a liberal has no heart. Anyone over the age of 30 who IS a liberal has no brain."

    Winston Churchill"

    I think someone is crediting the wrong Prime Minister. I believe that was first said by Benjamin Disraeli. ;)
     
  19. GT

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    Gots to go with jeffrey and vernal on this one. Suck it up.
    Who died and left your opinion in charge?

    Troll with the punches.

    Seriously though, there is no such thing as a liberal. The term has been used to describe pretty much any political position over the years. It has become like "deluxe" and "art": effectively meaningless.

    I prefer the term "lefty". This covers all the "liberals", "progressives", "europhiles", "coastal elitists", "humanists", "Democrats (sic)" "Socialists", "Communists" and all other scum who see the world from a left-leaning, big-government, authoritarian viewpoint.

    I reserve the right to hate them all unremittingly. I will, however, try not to let the bile show; no guarantees.

    My term for those who see the world from a right-leaning, big-government, authoritarian viewpoint is unprintable on this forum.


    G
     
  20. Bruce H

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    Right. I have been callled way beyond stupid for some of my remarks and ideas. After reflection and study of the subject I found that I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. If you can't convince people with facts and sound ideas maybe your in need of the ridicule.
     
  21. GRB

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    This thread is, in my opinion, ludicrous. In order for you to say that others should not be derogatroy toward liberals on this site and, for you to say that you are often stunned by the way some on this site refer to liberals, you are absolutely implying that some others who do not hold the same liberal political convictions that you hold, are essentially rude, crude and offensive because they post negatively about liberals or about their convictions.

    Hmm, sounds pretty reasonable when you first look at it. Then when you think about it a bit, it gets somewhat fuzzy because it implies you mean conservatives or independents who lean right. I can easily see how the meat of the opinion is quite offensive to conservatives or even to some independents even though it is shrouded in the guise of the victimized liberal. You do not have to name conservatives (or right leaning independents) to make it clear that is to whom you are referring, it is fairly obvious. So what you have effectvely done to conservatives/RL-Independents is exactly what you say you want them not to do to you! How typically and how exceptionally, in my opinion, liberal. I do not take offense to you stating your opinion, however; I do take offense to its implications that you should be allowed to do such while others should not be allowed to do so.

    On the other hand, if my opinion offends you, well as Sister Walter Phillip of the Dominican Order used to say: tough noogies. You see it was just meant to be my opinion, it was not meant to tell you not to state your own, it was a response to your own.

    If you take offese to me stating my opinion or responding to yours or, if you take offense to the content of my opinion and, if you complain about my stating my opinion by in essence knocking me, isn't that the same thing about which you complained in the first place - except now it is the liberal who is knocking the conservative/RL-Inedependent! Just simply an amazing turn of events.

    Sincerely,
    Glenn B
     
  22. Tim3256

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    Welcome Hook.

    You're saying that I should treat your point of view with respect. Well, I'm sorry but I disagree with the agenda that self-proclaimed liberals advocate.

    This PC thing in general is getting out of hand, folks...
    I can't help but notice the irony that all their talk of "tolerance, respect, and diversity", goes out the window if your viewpoint is diverse to the point of disagreement. I have NO tolerance for religious leaders that teach hate, and I WON'T be "showing respect" for people that i disagree with that strongly. I DON'T agree that the public schools or Gov't agencies should promote and cater to multilingualism, we have always been an english-speaking country, and I see no good reason to modify that fact. Immagrants have always learned our language so that they could function in their adopted society, as would I, if I were to emigrate to a new homeland.

    EXAMPLE:
    To say that "The Koran is being used as an instrument of mayhem." is, in my opinion, an accurate staement of the political realities we are currently faced with. If others don't share that assessment, doesn't that, in fact. DEFINE it as being "diverse"? Further, doesn't the ideology of "tolerance" REQUIRE that I be allowed to promote that view? Why is it OK to censor THAT viewpoint? The "Koran" statement does not promote or endorse hatred or violence, so what justifies the admonishments of the PC police? The statement doesn't denegrate or disrespect any race, class, color, ethnicity, lifestyle choice etc etc etc; other than that of the terrorist (our self-proclaimed mortal enemy).
    I have always tried to respect other's belief sytems, and I don't generally give a whistle what your "preference", racial background, religion, etc etc etc is; so just let me decide who and what to "respect". I'll do my own thinking, thank you. If we really want to embrace diversity, it seems to me that we need to accept ALL points of view, not just the cute, fuzzy, "correct" views.

    "When intelligent debate is outlawed, intellect withers, and we are doomed."
     
  23. shermacman

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    Hook:
    First off, welcome!
    Second, who do think you are that you are so special as to have some "right" to not be offended by the opinions of others?
    Third, who do you think you are to tell anyone that we should not speak negatively about political positions that we disagree with?

    Debate and discussion are part of the foundation of our country. The only place on this planet that has ever had a 100% total agreement on politics was in the last "election" that Saddam held.

    Opinions, facts and emotional outbursts are not just fun, they are good for you. They might even cure you of your misplaced Liberal pedagogy.
     
  24. CentralTexas

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    Welcome and be glad

    you are only a liberal, you should see what happens if you are a vegetarian or Libertarian around here! ;) Actually there are quite a few of all those and more.
    CT
     
  25. Werewolf

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    :what:

    ROFLMFAO as I choke, gag and spit coffee onto my company keyboard.

    Puhleez - PC is alive and well on THR. The form it takes is only slightly less insidious than that of the mainstream media or say The Democratic Underground but it exists here none the less...
     
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