Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by tuckerdog1, Oct 2, 2016.
Check the bills. Whose picture on the hundreds?
perhaps he trusted that you were a straight up guy and didn't feel comfortable pulling a gun out in public for inspection. Man with a gun call and all that.
Perhaps...but it seems he could have looked into the box without pulling the gun out of it, eh? Or looked into the box/pulled the gun out in his car.
I have sold firearms where the new owner did not look at them before or after the sale. Fine by me. Once that money passes hands it isn't my problem.
This isn't to say I sell lemons in private transactions. I don't. I take care of my firearms and thoroughly clean them before I sell them. Some people don't feel safe inspecting a firearm in a public place with other people around and I don't blame them.
I have an FFL and at a show recently had come to an agreement on price to sell a gun. I reached over to pull out a 4473 and the guy says "Oh, wait. You can't sell it to me without the paperwork? I'm a convicted felon." I've also heard people tell other dealers that they were buying the gun to have something to shoot off while getting high in the woods. The things that people will say/admit to is amazing.
As an aside, neither of the two people quoted above walked out of the show with anything other than a security escort.
You followed the rules, whet he does is his business. Over the years I have done many a deal where I met someone on the side of the road, Once in a spooky farm house on an abandoned lot.
I had spoken to him 3 times and know human nature, nothing is guranteed in life. The guy ended up doing 2 more deals with me over a 10 yr period. Your instincts are your only indicator.
He probably thought he could take advantage of that "gun show loophole" they keep touting in the media.
I sold a vehicle years back. Several thousand dollars. Guy handed me the cash and I put it in my pocket. He was astounded that I didn't count it.
I said "you assumed I'd count it, so I'm sure it's there. And, if you need to cheat somebody that bad, you've got more problems than I do being shorted a little money"
I also sold something (a gun) for cash and didn't count it, saying "I'm sure it's all there". Same reasoning. It was all there of course.
> what if the state is slow to revoke?
It's the state's problem, not the seller's. And a having a state revoke your CHCL doesn't necessarily mean you're prohibited by ATF regulations.
I heard a guy say that if you are an honest, trustworthy person, you tend to view others in the same light.
Similarly, if you are dishonest/shady, you will be suspicious of other's motives.
Not sure I buy in 110%, but it sounds like there is a grain of truth in there somewhere...
Thats a lot better than one I recently had. A guy wanted to buy 10 AK mags from me, wrote me a bad check (his check was written from my bank), then told me I had to deposit the bad check in order for it to clear.... I informed him, like a 6th grade teacher, how checks actually work. He called ME a scammer and hung up on me. Some people just suck.
Most people won't take personal checks because they are never guaranteed to be worth anything
I tell people, "a check is like an IOU", if I don't know you , why would I take an IOU from you? If you have some kind of check verificartin system in place, then it's fine, but otherwise it's a no.
I will accept a personal check, but I only ship after it clears.
And it proves nothing more than what a DL would.
Yes, a grain; 1/480 of an ounce.
"In God we trust - all others pay cash"
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How many folks have lied on form 4473, especially questions A.) and E.) over the years. Now if the FFL suspects/knows they are lying, he cannot transfer the firearm. But if they are a stranger off the street and he has no way of knowing, is he wrong for selling them the firearm? No, and it's no different for FTF sales. One needs to take reasonable precautions. Asking the buyer if they are prohibited IMHO, is all the farther you need to go. You are not the BATF. Until and unless the law is changed in your state requiring more for FTF sales, asking for a ID and requesting the seller sign a bill of sale is optional, as is anything else. Know the law in your state and follow it.....simple as that. No need to read more into the scenario than what's in there.
I agree completely but then I'm not the one checking Id or writing out a bill-of-sale.
Why do you NEED to do that?
Doesn't the law require that you not have reason to believe they are prohibited? That is different from having reason to believe they are not prohibited.
Only did one face to face purchase at a gun show. Every other gun was bought new or military surplus from/transfered to a dealer.
After your first few, guns are a luxury item. You want a good deal, but you should never buy a luxury item that you couldn't immediately have destroyed and suffer no financial hardship from.
If I ever do another face to face transfers for a common gun $500 or less, I doubt I'd do more than peak in the box to look at my new toy.
By your own admission, you have done "quite a few" private party gun sales. Maybe you made the ATF's radar for selling without a license. Good luck with that one. See you in seven.
There's nothing wrong with having done quite a few private party gun sales.
To what are you referring?
Exactly what I said. If ATF deems the OP to be in the business of selling guns without a licence, he is in big trouble. ATF unfortunately has a lot of leeway in determining whether or someone is "in the business"
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