Victim Disarmed and Cuffed for his "Safety"

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  1. sierrabravo45

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    I would have tazed him. :neener:
     
  2. smoketheresfire

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    :scrutiny: Whoa, ***. Maybe my principles just don't run as deep as yours but that seems like a bit much. I don't quite think this type of situation is the place to make your big stand against the government. While the cop was way off IMO and rights were trampled, I think in this case I'll just comply and persue some other resolution to this offense through her superiors. My family kind of relies on me NOT being in jail for the rest of my life. YMMV, I guess.
     
  3. rondog

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    When did this event happen? Has there been any more to the story?
     
  4. docsleepy

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    Well, I sure learned an enormous amount from reading THR, but this takes the cake.

    Words fail me in trying to express my feelings about the prospect of civil servants placing me/my family into more danger by handcuffing us when an armed intruder may be present! No wonder the police in Arizona put bullets into the homeowner if this is their thought process....

    When I explain this police tactic to our teenagers, I don't know if I will be able to stop the laughter that will erupt.

    Clearly we will exit the house via windows, meet at our prearranged safety point, get into a vehicle with our firearms concealed, and observe from a very safe distance. We may even leave and only come back when they call us to tell us they have cleared the house, at which point we might meet THEM at the entrance of the house to allow them to discuss their findings with us, once everything seems safe.
     
  5. SteveCase

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    Hey I wonder if this homeowner and the cop and Obama are gonna sit down and have a beer togeather and discuss this
     
  6. mcdonl

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    Wow. I have learned a lot about some members of THR no this post thats for sure.

    Also... you know your a Mall Ninja when you refer to the person who called 911 an "RP" - 10-codes and slang are discouraged from radio communications in most communities.
     
  7. Ed Ames

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    AWTTW: This is the INTERNET, buddy. Abbreviations are encouraged here.
     
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  8. 45Frank

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    This is why people don't help people in trouble. There's a Court case that I will google and find where a suspect is now trying to get a tip line tape as well as there name of the tipper released. It's been in the news regularly this week.
    I also was a witness to a death when I was younger and the police gave my number, address, work location and everything else to the person accused of the causing the death. I may help someone but I'll never give my name again I'll run like hell.


     
  9. danprkr

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    Amen brother. Many dittos. I watched them cuff and arrest my dad for throwing a peanut hull out the window. Granted my dad has a bit of an attitude, but asking why he was being stopped did not warrant getting dragged off in cuffs. I was there, and trust me there a ton of cops with GIGANTIC chips on their shoulders who shouldn't be trusted with squirt guns. These are the ones that I have an anti attitude about.

    As to my earlier comments, well, the few times I've had an incident I did surrender my gun, and I doubt I'd shoot at a cop over it even if I had it. But it's entirely possible that I'd resist possibly physically if required. Then I'd sue. Sorry, but there's right and legal, and the 2 are not always the same thing. Make your choices just be prepared to pay the price for it. I've been there done that.
     
  10. mcdonl

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    LOL... understood Ed... now what the he11 is AWTTW?
     
  11. Ed Ames

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    I know that one. "A word to the wise"
     
  13. Deanimator

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    And if there wasn't any disciplinary action, as in many places there wouldn't?

    Civil litigation is usually the ONLY effective means to deal with police misconduct. When LEOs misbehave, it's usually because they have a well founded belief that they won't be meaningfully punished for it.
     
  14. mcdonl

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    10-4 :)
     
  15. armoredman

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    I have called PD to a business alarm call, potential break-in, visibly armed, with zero issues, in Arizona. Only time PD ever disarmed me was when I was a potential suspect, sidearm returned once I had been identified and cleared.
     
  16. heeler

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    Now that I have waded through this lengthy thread.......

    I personally would be most unhappy being cuffed like that guy was.

    My own experiences here.
    In 1985 I had a guy that I had never layed eyes on barge right through my front door while I was laying on the couch watching T.V.
    A REAL fight broke out between us and finally a sharp left hook put this revved up idiot down.
    I grabbed my loaded Remington 700 and marched him right out the door where by he took off running.
    My neighbor saw me with my rifle and called the police.
    With in minutes several police cars where outside.
    Seeing this I unloaded my rifle and left it in the corner with the bolt open and the ammo in another room.
    I let the police in and explained the situation.
    One officer went over and checked out my rifle after I pointed out where it was.
    After that one of the officers actually said to me "Why didn't you shoot him?"
    I told him I had every thing under control and there was no need to do that.
    Not once was I cuffed or treated as a criminal.

    My brother has had a concealed handgun license for years and has been stopped twice on minor traffic violations.
    He has handed over his drivers license and handgun license and was never cuffed up or treated badly at all.
    This whole thing of this officer basically arresting the victim is too weird for me or perhaps the state of Texas just has more reasonable Leo's.
     
  17. StarDust1

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    Chilling isn't it, this progression from public servants to "master's of the public?" The thing is, it's really not an aberration, it's standard operating procedure, and it's not limited to just certain "outrages," we should remember that this is just the abuse(s) that we've heard of.
    Make no mistake, it's a complex mechanism at work here, it's largely the result of allowing local & state LEA to para-militarize, the direct consequence of an ongoing prohibition that has destabilized the border and a foreign nation, morphing common USA youth gangs into mega multi-million dollar a year murder machines.
    While a large component in the mechanism, maybe even the largest, it's not the only one, the perception being that they(LE)are at war, they've lobbied for & been granted ever wider & more invasive powers of enforcement, as these powers have been expanded upon, so to has the list of enemy combatants, until "everyone" is an enemy combatant until proven otherwise!
    Historically, we've a name for these societies....
     
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    Man, a lot of sheeple on here.:barf:
     
  19. harmonic

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    Welcome to hiring quotas. Where is it, Chicago, that's going to eliminate entrance exams because it discriminates against minorities?

    Yeah, that's what they need. Stupid cops who can't read or reason. Yeah, that'll work.
     
  20. Deanimator

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    Of course only in Chicago would NOBODY wonder whose rights the idiots and criminals they subsequently hire are most likely to be violated. Hint: Not anybody in Bridgeport. In the universe which *I* inhabit, endemic police misconduct isn't remedied by LOWERING the hiring standards.

    Call me eccentric, but I'm not any more willing to have my rights grossly violated by a Black cop than a White one.
     
  21. iyaoyas98

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    I like this.
     
  22. Tiomoid

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    It is spelled like it sounds.... public - NOT piblic
     
  23. harmonic

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    Piblic safety? What's that? A crossing guard?
     
  24. mcdonl

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    Oh good... 8th grade has let out.

    Has this thread run it's course?
     
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