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Victory!!!! Any Illinois residents happy?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by josiewales, Dec 13, 2012.

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  1. josiewales

    josiewales Member

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    I don't live in IL but I'm still happy! A step in the right direction! :)
     
  2. Spammy_H

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    I'm still speechless. I'm surprised Rahm didn't assassinate the entire Ct of Appeals before they could sign the ruling.
     
  3. josiewales

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    Evidently so is everyone else. :rolleyes:
     
  4. ilbob

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    It is a good ruling, but there are no license to carry quite yet and they may not come for a while. If SCOTUS agrees to look at it, in all likelihood a stay gets issued and we don't know where we are until June of 2014.

    I am hopeful the state decides not to ask for review or SCOTUS declines the opportunity so we can go forward, but it is not by any means a done deal.
     
  5. roadchoad

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    Josie,
    There are a few threads in legal already, if you are looking for more opinions.
     
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    It sounds good, but being that this is Illinois one shouldn't get too excited.

    It already sounds like the IL democrats are gonna fight this tooth and nail up to the Supreme Court so that means any decision will be a long wait. And any law that passes will probably be may-issue, meaning you have to ask your local sheriff for approval and odds are that won't go well.

    Overall while I'm happy, I'm scared that any conceal carry bill that passes will be so constricted with lame-brain ideas by the politicians that you could hardly call it concealed carry anymore.
     
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    Isn't anyone just a little suspicious that all these ultra-liberal states are starting to "allow" carry permits. .. ? Firearm sales are going through the roof because of the fear of gun rights being taken away and liberal states are issuing carry permits, something is askew.
     
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    The effect of the decision is stayed for 180 days to give the state legislature the chance to enact "reasonable limitations", i.e. may-issue licensing.
     
  9. fehhkk

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    I'm happy, but until I have my permit I don't believe it.

    Considering that last time it was pretty close to passing a shall issue CCW ( only failed because it needed supermajority ), I think this is good news, very good news for all of us in IL.

    The anti gunners are in the hot seat right now.

    Edit: meant to say shall issue
     
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  10. josiewales

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    Aw, I'm not really looking for opinions, just spouting.:)

    Very true.
     
  11. Jeff White

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    The Illinois Sheriffs Association is very supportive of concealed carry. I doubt that you would see much resistance to issuing permits.
     
  12. Trent

    Trent Resident Wiseguy

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    My local sheriff in Tazewell county (Bob Huston) testified pro-gun in the committee hearings on behalf of IL Sheriffs... the Sheriffs in IL are absolutely pro-carry, by and large.
     
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    In downstate Illinois I'd assume the sheriffs would have no problem signing off, but let's hope that stays true in the Chicagoland region (Cook County) as well.

    Unfortunately, Tom Dart is the sheriff for Cook County......and he's a pawn for the Chicago Machine so we already now that doesn't look to good for anyone wanting a conceal carry permit.
     
  14. Dr_B

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    Looks like Illinois still has a long wait ahead. Things might go more smoothly if Chicago was excised from the state. There could be the state if Illinois and then the state of Chicago. Yes, just kidding, but I've always thought Chicago is not representative of the vast majority of people in Illinois. Same situation as with Washington state and Seattle.
     
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    I've found gun buybacks does NOT necessarily equate to anti-gun.

    Take the city of Peoria, for instance. The mayor has gone on record stating that he wanted Peoria to be a "testing ground" for Concealed carry (a pilot city, if you would). Meanwhile, he supports gun buybacks to take weapons off the street that might otherwise end up in the hands of gang members.

    It's confusing.
     
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    they have 180 to do something whether it be appeal or work up the restrictions into law... otherwise it becomes constitutional carry.... so I am excited now but 99% sure they will appeal based on Chicago alone.... honestly I wish Cook County would go be its own state. Screw the tax revenue... us "southerns" will fend for ourselves and run the state the way it should be.
     
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    Petrey - as I understand it, the stay expires on either Sunday, June 9, 2013, or Monday, 6/10/13. At that point, the old laws can no longer be enforced. If this case gets appealed to the SC, they may continue the injuction until they reach a decision. They may also let it expire anyway.

    The best option is the SC refuses to hear the case and lets the Appeals Court decision to stand unaltered and the legislators sit on their hands the way Congress is and the 180 days pass with nothing getting passed.
     
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    "The Illinois Sheriffs Association is very supportive of concealed carry. I doubt that you would see much resistance to issuing permits."

    Go ask Tom Dart what he thinks.
     
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    some places technically allow conceal carry, however make it nearly impossible to get it... like NYC, LA, etc... we need to make it easier for law abiding citizens to get permits... in fact, id love to see a national CCW permit offered
     
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    I am very happy with the court's decision. I hope the state legislature quickly puts a law into play and passes it. Quinn has said he would veto any CC law, but with the court case on our side, he may be blowing smoke.

    I'm pretty sure our side has a law or two ready to go. I'm thinking the opposition has one ready to go as well, but one we won't like much.

    Should be interesting.
     
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    In a way, imagine if the IL State Attorney, out of her crazy mind and extreme pressure from the antigun political machine of Chicago, decides to appeal at the 90 day mark.

    Seeing that the odds are in our favor, SCOTUS will deny the appeal and will simply refuse to listen it. The SA already had the burden of proof to show that their currently restrictive carry laws/bans actually reduce crime and enhance public safety, and the Appelate Court didn't see sufficient evidence for this. I think this is critical.

    For this reason, it would be totally insane for the SA to even consider the appeal. It's a lose-lose situation for the anti gunners and the SA, even though they're pushing the SA really hard for her to appeal. And, if she doesn't appeal, she will lose support from the anti-gunners.

    If she appeals, and loses the battle, it opens up a whole can of worms for the "may issue" states to push lawsuits on their own to go for a change into "shall issue" legislation. Then, her political career will be ruined. The current SA is looking to be the next IL governor, by the way.

    Damned if you do it, damned if you don't kind of situation for the SA. I'd hate to be in her spot. :)

    Happy to be on the pro CCW side :D
     
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