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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Trey Veston, Jan 2, 2019.

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  1. Browning

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    My point was that you're carrying the same basic profile pistol as far as the grip goes (length) as a G19, but not getting the capacity.

    Only time will tell
    I'm able to draw and fire G43 sized pistols out of the pocket without issue, forget trying to do that with a G26 though.

    Which I think is one of their draws. DeSantis Nemesis pocket holsters in those size holsters sell for a reason.
     
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    Being able to shove a double stack in your pants compared to a single stack is like night and day
     
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    Sure, they do. They seem to make what I want. Except they somehow left off the finger groves on the G43X. I will try to make do.


    Glock makes pistols. I think they are smart to stay in their lane.


    It did take them a long time. But they’re here now, so you can relax and let it go.
     
  4. JR24

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    I think I agree here. A PCC by Glock might be neat, but that much redesign could very easily hurt their reputation.

    Plus (flame suit on) pistol caliber carbines are stupid. :neener:
     
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  5. Spats McGee

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    For a long time, every time I saw a Glock that I hadn't seen before, I thought "meh, another Glock." I absolutely agreed with those in this thread that Glock just didn't innovate. They simply adapted what they were already producing. Then one day, I thought of Charles Emerson Winchester, III, the fictional character from M*A*S*H, who (fairly early after his arrival at the M*A*S*H unit) said, "I do one thing, I do it well, and then, I move on." That's largely what Glock does. For many years, Glock did one thing: polymer, striker fired pistols. No rifles, no hammers, no thumb safeties (mostly), in any color you wanted, as long as it was black.

    And love 'em or hate 'em (and I hated 'em for decades), Glocks are solid pistols. My opinion, and I freely admit it's opinion, is that Glock's reputation ~25-30 years ago was that it was far and away the most reliable polymer pistol out there. Quite possibly the most reliable pistol in the world. And as much as I hated them (which was driven in large part by my dislike of the very vocal fanboyism that seemed to accompany them), eventually I had to admit that the fanboys could not all be wrong. There had to be something to Glock's reputation for reliability. It only took me about 10 years after that to come around to buying one . . . . Any more, Glock still maintains a great reputation for reliability, but I don't see it as 'the only game in town' any more. There are a number of pistols in direct competition (meaning they are polymer, striker fired pistols) that perform quite well and very reliably.

    In the past few years, we've seen the introduction of the G42, the G43, G19X, G45, Gen 5. . . . In other words, we may be seeing Glock "moving on," to tap other markets. I, for one, am glad to see these two pistols, in particular the G48. I don't live in a state with mag restrictions. I don't anticipate having any imposed in my lifetime in this state. I've decided that my G19 works for me, that I can live with the trigger. It's not anywhere close to a 1911 trigger, but it's pretty good for a Glock. Here's the thing, though: My S&W Shield is great. Love it. But would I like a single-stack that carries 2 more rounds? A 10-round pistol that is roughly the same size as a Commander 1911? Absolutely. I'm in suits and business casual clothes a lot. I don't get to wear an untucked flannel shirt and baggy cargo pants to work. So a single-stack 9mm with 2 more rounds than a Shield, a longer sight radius than a Shield, 4mm narrower than a G19, seems like a pretty good deal.
     
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    Pretty much my story too vis a vi Glock. I was a hater, half because of the fanboys and half because of the mythical grip angle (its the palm swell, not the angle, IMO).

    Then I stumbled into a trade for a 21 I couldn't resist and was shocked that once I actually learned how to shoot them, they do work pretty darned good.

    Are they the best polymer guns on the market? Probably not. Then again, I think pretty much all the major options in the poly striker market are roughly equal. Some may have a nicer trigger maybe, or feel better in the hand but for me they usually all shoot nearly the same. It's why I haven't bothered dropping my Glocks for another option, nothing is that much better to justify buying new gear (for me).

    I still think the 43x/48 is a good move, gives a light, thin (yes those millimeters and oz count for many people) Glock 19 that should be very shootable and easy to conceal package. It will compete well in the Shield market.
     
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    That apparently applies to you, it doesn't apply to me. At least their new pistols anyway.

    Their new pistols kind of suck.

    Some gun companies have started with pistols and branched out and made themselves even more of a success by offering pistols, rifles and shotguns.

    Some have remained stagnant. Glock is a perfect example of that.

    Or we can just disagree.
     
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    Can you name any examples?
     
  9. Browning

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    Sure....
    Ruger
    Taurus
    S&W
    Beretta (only they started in the reverse).
     
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    How are you measuring stagnancy?

    Units sold? Revenue?

    I don’t have the data, so I’m asking.

    But, I’d probably make a bet that Glock outsells some/many others with only one product (and it’s variants) than the others with wide product lines.

    I also have a stagnant career and side business. If by stagnant, we mean that I only do a few things, but I do them well, and every year is better than the last for income. No need for more variety. I’m comfortable with perfection. :)
     
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    When I made that comment I more meant creatively and in lost earning potential compared to what they could have made.

    Take for instance the Glock carbine that we were talking about. One gun.

    Glocks make up a very large percentage of LE guns. IIRC it's somewhere near +50%. Most are models that they've had out since the 90's.

    Think if they'd come out with such a carbine in the late 90's. They would've beat the snot out of Ruger, Beretta, H&K and taken a sizeable chunk out of AR sales as well. Not to mention future sales past this point in time.

    Here's a post from ammoland squelching rumors of a Glock carbine as late as 2012.

    https://www.ammoland.com/2012/01/glock-carbine/#axzz5bsRGjzkR

    I've heard rumors of Glock guns that people were excited about for years. Never released.

    Due to the slide of the fortunes of all gun companies after the 2016 elections it's difficult to estimate how their current fortunes compare to an estimate of what they would have made if they came out with better models as well as better models that people actually wanted quite badly much earlier (example : the Glock 43, even though it didn't quite match up to the subcompact single stack polymer pistols that had already been on the market for years).

    More like they did a few things really really well in the 90's and have been making tiny 'improvements' off those successes every since.
    Along with not acknowledging mistakes any time they've screwed up and released lemons.

    I'm not exactly sure I'd call that 'perfection'.

    Feel free to disagree though. :Shrug
     
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    No offense but random guy speculating earning potential of a multinational company vs the professionals they undoubtedly have running the numbers in their office doesnt seem too convincing to me.

    Sure a carbine could be nice, but development and tooling costs are pretty darned high for a potentially pretty limited return considering government and LEO moving largely to rifle caliber carbines

    I guess it's possible Glock just has no clue how to read a market, cost and demand but I dont suspect it would be so, considering they are still in business after all these years.
     
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    Glock carbines are already everywhere. Just because Glock assembles a few, instead of ourselves, doesn't make it any better. I doubt anyone has any carbine that can out do the AR platform. I'm not about to start manufacturing carbines worse than AR's, either. That would be a stupid biz decision. I read this thread, and I'm like ''so what'' to half the points made here.

    All of the ''Glock stagnation'' stuff is lame as well.

    Glock people asked for a moon cut, and no finger grooves. Glock responded.

    Glock people admitted that they were pretty much morons about the stupid moon cut, and changed their minds. Now the moon cut is gone.

    43 is too small to be a fighting pistol. So the X comes out.
    Single stack 19 is something we've been asking for, for years.

    I don't know about ya'll, but it seems to me, like Glock's been listening pretty darn well.

    Glock's not just still in biz. They're still building very effective fighting pistols, that the Glock copies still can't match. Most of those copies just don't seem to understand, what makes Glocks special.

    They're still a fine choice for USPSA Production, Limited, Limited 10. IDPA SSP, ESP, CCP, CDP. I can't say that about any other polymer pistol.
     
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    This guy speaks the truth.

    People will buy these new Glocks, there is no question about that. And that's a good thing for Glock and those that like them.

    But that doesn't make it any more sensible.
     
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    I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything. Someone asked what I meant, I answered.

    It's simply one viewpoint. It happens to be a pretty popular viewpoint in some circles that once Gaston Glock finally goes that there might be more forward thinking designs coming out.

    It's just based on observations of how that particular company operates.

    Will this happen? Who knows.
     
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    Hopefully those ''forward'' designs are under a different brand name.

    Glock has what? 30 different variations of the same pistol? Asking them to make shotguns now, is like asking Home Depot to start an Italian restaurant chain.
     
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    That's kind of funny. :)

    You say that there's no stagnation ('All of the ''Glock stagnation'' stuff is lame as well'), but immediately state that it should be under a different brand name (presumably using Glock mags).

    Get it right, which is it? Are they stagnant or what? '30 different variations of the same pistol? ' implies a great deal of stagnation.

    Plus who said that they should make shotguns? I just said that other companies have added those to their product lines. I've mentioned that there are a few different ideas for pistols and a carbine over the years that people have lusted over and wanted released.
    Pistols and a carbine.

    Never asked for or wanted a Glock shotgun.
     
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    No. I just don't want them ruining themselves, for some silly products, that they shouldn't be making. Start a new company for that. A completely different product, isn't a "Glock''.

    Remember when Jeep started putting their brand name on luggage? Yeah, that worked well. Made them look like dumb mall rats. So much for that rugged off road vibe.

    Coming out with new pistols every year ain't stagnation. There's a model for a dozen different hands, and situations.

    Kimber. Remember when they made 1911's so well that Colt went out of biz? Now they're junk. But that's exactly what people asked for.

    Remember when Sig was 100% reliable? All gone. Same thing.

    Bushmaster, Smith & Wesson, Remington, all circling the drain. etc. etc. Giving people exactly what they want. But when a companies ''squeaky wheels'' ain't got a clue......you end up with weird moon cuts on your grip frames.
     
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  19. Browning

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    Sure, that's totally what ...
    ... implies. :clownshoes:

    None of what we're talking about is related to those topics.

    Apples and oranges.

    What you're basically saying is do not provide any new designs period because you risk financial ruin.

    That's the exact opposite of what sells guns to people who usually already have enough.

    Neither does a company need to put out 80 variations of 20 different guns in 5 years the way Kimber did.

    Freedom Group buying gun companies and using subpar components or fit and finish isn't exactly a model for financial success or developing much customer trust either.

    Being sued by grieving parents who are being used by socialist freaks didn't help much either. Part of that is stupidity and a poor business model mixed with a lightening strike.
     
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    because they keep releasing stuff not related to what people want from them. i don't get into the gun's debate anymore, i just buy them or not. and to be honest, I'm not buying any new Glocks unless is a Gen5 17C, G19L or a Carbine until then just ammo.

    Glock 26 with 10+2+1 (for CCW) and standard 10rd Mags for 10rds limit states. (backup)
    Glock 19 Standard CCW 15+2+1 or 15rd
    Glock 17 Duty weapon 17+2+1
    Glock 34 Competition (IDPA USPSA)
     
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    No one can account for Kool aid drinkers! What makes them so superior and or special to YOU?

    They are no better nor worse than the competition and I do prefer Glocks as my poly gun of choice. Personal preferences do not make it a fact. I have tried most, if not all, of the ones from the major manufactures. Special is not something that comes to mind.
     
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    except Home Depot isn't in the restaurant business.

    Doesn't all their, Glocks, direct competition build pistols, rifles, etc?

    Lowes, Ace etc. certainly doesn't sell food either.
     
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    It's not cool aid, it's the pistol that ended my love affair with 1911's. Your arguing, only for the sake of arguing now. *** is a Glock brand carbine going to do, except get slaughtered by superior AR's.


    -low bore over hand, excellent recoil control despite lightweight. The copies are usually taller.

    -grip that fills the hand entirely (like the bowed a1 backstrap on 1911's , not the flat one) The copies tend to copy 1911 grips, poorly. Maybe that's what some people want. But that's usually the same people that would rather hold a pistol, not shoot one.

    -best mags ever
    -slab sides without levers in the way of a high grip
    -excellent resistance to rust
    -fastest draw and first shot, nearly every weekend. Or at least a solid pattern of that.

    -easy sight replacement, and excellent availability of Dawson/Warren sights. Some Glock copies have sights that are a serious pita to get off.

    -huge aftermarket support. No need to send your pistol to the manufacturer for simple repairs. Easy upgrades, magwells, recoil rods, etc.etc. You can even build entire slides from scratch.

    -And by far, it's the only polymer pistol that forces me to decide between shooting it, or a 2011,or CZ TSO. No other copy offers near, that level of performance. Just disappointment.

    It's no mistake that the vast majority of pistols we see competing on weekends are Glock, 2011's, and CZ's. With hardly a M&P, Walther, Springfield, or even a 1911 left.
     
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    To date, the G43 is the only Glock that actually feels fairly good in my oddly-shaped hand. I can get by with a G23, and have learned (having had one as a duty weapon) to deal with and shoot well with a G17 size pistol, but don't 'like' the ergonomics of either.

    If the G48 has the feel of the G43 with a bit more barrel and grip, I'm probably going to get one. A little research would show folks clamoring for a single-stack G19 a few years ago, so I suspect the big G is more right than wrong with these two.

    Larry
     
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    Polymer 80 made a frame for this. I love it. It still needs some more rounds through it before it gets considered for ccw or anything defensive.
     
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