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Video: Security guard saves lives with an AR-15 rifle

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Steve32, Feb 15, 2013.

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  1. Steve32

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    It turned out well, but shooting through the wall with friendlies down range is very unsafe. While it isn't a surprise the suspects were not hit, it was equally surprising the friendly wasn't hit.
     
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    Agreed. That lady was lucky she was on the ground when the guard shot through the wall.
     
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    Well so much for the premise that no one uses an AR-15 for defensive purposes, right?
     
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    Bingo! Smart, very smart.
     
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    No, the anti's will just talk about how he "pumped rounds through the walls with blatant disregard for the lives of others."
     
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    Yeah, they won't get that the AR-15 is an ideal defensive weapon, will they?

    Just the fact the guard was reckless with return fire.
     
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    AR-15's work way better when you aim.

    Stupid criminals deserve special treatment.
     
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    Oh, but he did exercise restraint.


    Or did you miss the news when the LAPD fired over 40 rounds into a vehicle from AR-15s with two old ladies delivering newspapers on the hunt for Mr. Dorner . . . who wasn't shooting at them at the time?

    This security agent got shot in the leg and shot, what, 2 rounds they said?


    So . . . from that I propose he exercised a whole lot more restraint than LAPD did this week. And they weren't even being shot at in the process.


    I'm not going to Monday Morning Quarterback his response. For all we know he accounted for the only person he knew in the room who was a friendly outside the shot area, and he could see her on the ground.
     
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    ^ .... yup! remember their hypocrisy is a no win situation... :uhoh:
     
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    Point made about an AR-15 being used for defensive purposes, but I'm not convinced that the guard was actually aiming the thing more precisely than a general direction--it probably just happened to hit the wall randomly. This guy seriously needs more/better training.

    That's a definite point in his favor, but then again he's being held to a low standard of comparison here (not meaning all LEOs, but these guys at least).
     
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    It could have been muscle reflex from being injured, who knows? Just glad the employees are safe. Guard looked a bit worse for the wear, however.
     
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    It's not about what happened, its about how the media can spin it.
     
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    Yeah, but remember we're told that these AR-15s with "high capacity mags" fire what, dozens of rounds in a few seconds, right?


    He fired two.


    Sounds like he exercised some restraint to me.
     
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    It is possible that the guard didn't mean to shoot though the wall, it's understandable if he was a bit too excited/startled. Doesn't mean it's okay though, to shoot though a wall blindly I mean.
     
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    I'm also not convinced he was firing blindly through the wall. I'd be willing to bet that he had eyes on his target through the doorway, and simply missed (possibly due to being hit?)

    Certainly none of us would be rattled enough by being under fire, and actually taking a hit, to miss a return shot, right? :D
     
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    He shot THROUGH the wall with an AR?

    Haven't there been several threads recently where proponents of using ARs for "home defense" denied that a round from an AR would penetrate a wall?
     
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    There was a lot of wallboard dust and something appeared to get through. Don't know if fragments or intact.

    Seems I read elsewhere that an AR-15 round didn't penetrate as much as slugs, 00 buck, heavier rounds, etc.

    Don't remember anywhere it said a standard 55gr. fmj AR-15 round wouldn't penetrate dry wall, however. I suppose that depends on how many layers of drywall it encounters.

    Lots of flavors of AR-15 rounds that would penetrate more or less.
     
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    Let me tell you what I see.


    I see a security guard who, 4 seconds after being shot, acquires his target and returnes fire with 2 rounds. One through the doorway and one that grazed it, under return fire. Immediately afterwards he charges to the entrance of the office building and secures it.

    The news didn't report he fired again after that as they were retreating.

    I see someone who, under fire and being hit, used an AR-15 to exercise an appropriate restrained response. He didn't indiscrimately "shoot through walls". He fired where the man who shot him was.


    Those of you who want to Monday Morning Quarterback him . . . I'd like to see how you would do in his shoes. I'd like to see your training credentials.

    I can tell you without any doubt I've seen professional officers and well-trained shooters return fire through doors and walls where they just took fire from. And I've never seen you at my shoothouse in an N.T.I. So until you can show me where you've been in his shoes and are competent in your training resumes to criticize what I see as extreme restraint, you ought to take a step back and consider the nonsense you're about to post.
     
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    Yep Bullfrogken.
     
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    That is true, and it's valid enough to make a point against the antis.

    Now switching for a moment to regular THR mode, he should not have been shooting unless he had targets lined up in his sights (if accurate point-shooting is not in his skill set and he could see the targets). Or maybe it was just the stress of the moment, which is understandable.

    Switching back to RKBA-under-heavy-fire mode, this incident reminds me that most modern AR-15s are particularly well suited for mounting things like reflex sights and flashlights, for example. Speaking in general, such equipment can help keep bystanders safe.

    That's my assumption--I sure hope that he wasn't shooting blindly through a wall! :eek: I mean, there are times when you can shoot deliberately through barriers, but this wasn't one of them.

    Well, they're absolutely wrong--typically .223/5.56mm rounds from an AR-15 would go through several interior walls, easily, like so:

    http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm
     
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    I'm not here to judge anyone, but if you'll roll the video back and forth, one of the rounds (or fragments) exited the wallboard just to the upper left of what appears to be a thermostat to the right of the doorway. Just an observation. Nothing more, nothing less. 34 second mark.
     
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    Looking at the video carefully, you can clearly see the second round has been put through wall, not grazing the doorway. The hole in the wall is seen clearly at 34-35 seconds about 3-4" from the edge of the doorway, 1-2" to the right of the trim, just above the top left corner of the light switch/alarm box on the wall.
     
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    Anti's will just say we don't need more than two rounds since that is all it took for him to run the couple off :eek:
     
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    Certainly 'something less than' a well trained/practiced response on the part of the security guard (adrenaline dump considered), BUT the greater point is that when Force is met with Force, the bad guys usually bug out...as witnessed here.
     
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