Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by snidervolley, Jul 23, 2021.
The actual XM177's had the bayonet lug ground off.
If you want to go all-out, you can apply for two NFA tax stamps -- one for a 11.5" barrel SBR and the other for a real sound moderator. Unfortunately, you can no longer make it FA unless you can find a registered pre-1986 lower.
They were overgassed because gas tubes only came in one internal diameter at the time. I and several other Armorers solved that for the 7th ID(L)'s LRSD by 'pigtailing" full length gas tubes underneath the handguards. (I'm sure we weren't the first to do it, but we figured it out on our own.) They functioned correctly then. This was during the period after the XM177E2 was withdrawn, and the M4 was fielded. It was the only way for recon types to get a correctly functioning 'shorty' AR at the time.
I built a clone after I got out, with a slipover sound moderator (IIRC, the terminology used at the time) and tossed the cut-off tube that came with it and pigtailed one.
I see the selector on your CAR goes 'all the way', but there's no auto sear pin.
As for malfunctioning there has been very little reported. Interesting post. A commander who was appropriately armed for his administrative job had a problem with malfunctioning? Goes to mags, ammo, and operator error. My first suggestion is the the First Sergeant didn't sit down with him on a periodic basis to clean their weapons together and make it happen. I also heard of a revolver in an ankle holster being jammed with wool fibers because the officer didn't clean it often enough, either, yet we all know they are utterly reliable.
IAW the related history of CAR's in SF, they were useful and worked in the role they were intended. The CAR was actually adopted before the M16 in the Army IIRC, it's been around since 1966 and is very much continuing duty as newer model designations are assigned by the Army and Navy. It's the preferred shipboarding and clearing weapon. In the Army CRANE has updated them for issue work, too.
They were intended for submachine gun work - and do. Once teams adopted silencers full time moderators were obsolete. There really is no comparison vs the M1, they replaced the M3 in that role consolidating ammo supply and service in small units. While expedient.the M3 didn't handle well and wasn't liked by many. Same reasons as the M1, heavy, bulky, obsolete design.
Keep in mind the bean counters always oppose the next generation of fighting weapons and force decisions based on economics - which is why the Garand wasn't issued in .276 Pedersen, and didn't have the detachable magazine. It takes decades to get around them instead of letting the SME's have the final say. Bean counters upgraded the M14, badly, but weapons experts got it right with the CAR.
Now, every AR pistol out there is an homage of the CAR-15 and XM177 or its descendants, and there are likely over a million of them or more, with or without a Brace. Not M1A's. As a close quarters defensive weapon, A CAR is far superior to the heavy, long, unwieldly M1 which had a short life. Inferior designs don't live long in the inventory.
And, near every other Western rifle having been used, too (Arisaka were used by a number of folk, along with Berthier and other French rifles, along with Garands, Carbine, and the M-14).
I have to agree. As an adviser in '66-'67 my issue weapon was an M2 carbine. It got wrapped around a tree, and I bummed an M1 Garand from the ARVN.
If you know the secret -- figure out where the enemy might be and fill that space with bullets -- the M1 is just what the doctor ordered.
Had a L T that had a mag of tracers, to point out where he wanted fire concentrated. He only did it once.
Was it an ill advised thing to do because it pinpointed his position for return fire or some other reason? What are the consequences of lighting off a mag full of tracers?
This is interesting. Can you give us more details on what exactly is involved with this? I have a clone that I might want to try this on.
Just me of course.
YEP give away position of the leader.
never saw a whole mag dump,
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