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Virginia's next move

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by jr45, Nov 7, 2019.

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  1. Corpral_Agarn

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    Thanks for posting this.

    The more I look into the vcdl the more I like what I read.

    The goofballs that many in this thread are concerned about are not vcdl.

    I would also add that tensions have been far higher in the past at actual armed conflict with the .gov and none of the people involved fired on the .gov

    A protest is just that.

    I haven't decided yet whether an armed one, in this case, is good or bad, yet.

    I totally understand and recognize those in the thread saying that armed would be stupid.

    I am just not convinced yet that an armed show would be without merit.
     
  2. hso

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    Maybe, but the majority of voters don't understand the current laws AND have been lied to and frankly the majority aren't sure.

    The facts don't support doing anything other than enforcing current laws.
     
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    "degree of opposition" is key here. The districts and counties passing ordinances in opposition has great impact. Officials going on record against the proposals has great impact. The VCDL organizing opposition has great impact. The voters contacting their representatives, even those bought by Bloomberg, has great impact. AND the organized opposition by way of a well organized rally will have a great impact.
     
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  4. BSA1

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    The challenge is how are you going to educate the people that voted with a anti-2A Governor and Legislators and media controlling the news?

    Since many of the members hate the NRA I am sure they want the NRA experience, influence and money to stay out of it.
     
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    Anti State senator Lucas replied to my email for a meeting with a form letter that said no.
    I followed it with a pledge that because of her lack of courtesy I will support a candidate running against her in the next election. A staff person called me!
    I got an appointment on Jan 20.

    Guys, be civil logical and courteous and firm that we will be active opponents in the next election

    I will wearing a suit and tie and after I represent my well thought out objections to house Bill 16, I will respectfully remind her I am a community influenced as a member of the VFW, FOP, and on the Board or member of several senior citizen groups and I can influence up to 300 votes.I

    ( Call my bluff lady, I assure you it is not a bluff)
     
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  6. Corpral_Agarn

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    Outstanding!

    Rooting hard for you guys!
     
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  7. Doc Samson

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    I find myself of two minds on this. I understand not wanting to generate bad press and presenting as an orderly, well mannered, and thoughtfully serious movement. And if the anti-2A and the MSM (but I repeat myself) were capable of rational discussion and/or thought, it might be worthwhile. On the other hand, I recognize that most of these folks place emotion ahead of fact and no amount of reality will sway them. And when folks like that are in charge it doesn't bode well for us on any level.

    How many red lines they are allowed to cross before there are some serious consequences? Who makes that determination? Being voted out of office for openly standing against 97% of the principles that this country was founded on seems pretty minor when they often just pop up in another role, spreading more of their... whatever you want to call it...
     
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  8. old lady new shooter

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    Unfortunately we now live in a country where perception is everything. Note how the left is always about the "narrative", they even sometimes admit it.
     
  9. LiveLife

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    Go get em Doc.

    And please, speak your mind. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

    I participated in rallies on steps of CA capitol. Law makers are quite sensitive to seeing and hearing voters' sentiment with their own eyes and ears.

    Virginians, if you don't want to end up like CA, IL and NY, etc., make the sacrifice and let all the law makers know and see your pro gun/2A sentiment.
     
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    Everyone in VA should be doing this.

    Also bring a sheet with as many signatures of voters in their district as you can (legitimate voters) to show them you are voicing their constituents' concerns, not just your interests. Make sure they know you are not a lone voice.
     
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  11. LiveLife

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    Yes, very good idea. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
     
  12. bikerdoc

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    Super Idea.
    Will gather signatures on the various organizations letter head.

    Lucas was one of the unopposed and I did not vote for her but she will not be unopposed next year, I guarantee it!
     
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    The problem with this is that most pro 2A folks have jobs they have to go to feed their families. But I agree, if no one shows up, it will reinforce their "mandate."
     
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  14. D.B. Cooper

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    Well I appreciate that. Guess we can't be on point all the time. It's just my position that firearms at a political event is an intimidation tactic-even if unintended. Emotions are running high. It's a bad combo.
     
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    This is the biggest fight us 2A folks have ever fought, imo, the rest of the US is watching closely.
     
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    Well hopefully only 6'2'' blonde hair blue eyed athletic late 20s early 30s, college educated professionals show up. They can handle ANY press questions ad hoc. If ever there are 200K + at a rally, setup a screening committee, based on height, color, firearms preference(s), etc.put the best forward and use the others as fillers...

    Now, back to Realville USA that's not going to happen at this upcoming or any future rally, or any in the past. From 20 outside a local reps office to 1000's marching through the streets in Columbus, OH a few years ago (didn't hear that one eh?) , CT, Mass. chanting ''we will not comply'', etc.
     
  17. Kleanbore

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    Yep!
     
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    I feel much the same frustration and I feel certain that a lot of other people do, as well. That said, I think it is important to vote and I think that it is important to remember that serious (violent or unnecessary) disruption can bring on a protest shut-down or worse. Municipalities have regulations and you need to understand them before you exercise your right to demonstrate or protest. It is important to be heard and seen. I am just not sure that being a part of serious consequences will do any of us any good.

    To my mind, these are times of great upheaval. I have worry for the future and I realize that being apathetic is maybe one reason we are where we are but at this point in time, I stand alongside calm and reason.
     
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  19. LiveLife

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    I absolutely agree.

    So we need to stop being apathetic and exercise our right to free speech and talk to law makers of our sentiment using every means available and vote with our pocketbooks by donating to pro gun/2A organizations.

    I believe it's time for gun owners to come together and organize and mobilize. This method has worked in the past for many civil rights issues and could work for our minority right of self defense and gun ownership.

    Gun Rights Actually Are a Civil Rights Issue - https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/28/gun-rights-are-a-civil-rights-issue/
     
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  20. hso

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    The VCDL is the state 2A organization and doesn't need the overt help of the NRA unlike the Antis that used Bloomberg money.
     
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    VA 2A advocates should be organizing buses to take people to the capitol on the 20th to help make it easy for people to show up.

    Every county opposing the threatened infringements should be making sure that people can easily get there.
     
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    They do. They have every Lobby Day for years.
    Tickets are $35, and you can buy seats to help out those who wish to attend.
    VCDL.ORG
     
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    And theres the rub, we dont have out of state billionaires paying for free bus rides.

    While most of us in this discussion would be willing to take off work and pay 35 bucks to get to the rally, or moreover drive our own cars and pay gas etc., there are no doubt some that won't.


    Point is it's hard to compete with agenda based billionaires.


    Still I am confident we'll have a turnout for our side bigger than any other LD so far.
     
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    THAT is something all of us can help with!
     
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    Why don't some of the conservative billionaire money sources (they do exist) speak up for the RKBA?
     
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