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  1. MDHunter

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    I'll Say This - We Like to Talk/Debate

    It APPEARS that most of us agree that we need to do something about the illegal border crossing; now we're spending a LOT of energy on semantics and debate.

    Just a question: How many of us have used some energy to write our Senators and tell them WE DON'T LIKE their total lack of concern for our border security and illegal immigration issues?

    If we haven't, then we're part of the problem, no matter how red-blooded we claim to be.

    So whaddya say guys - let's all take a minute, take a deep breath, and stop arguing amongst ourselves, and WRITE our Senator.

    That's something I can do, and will do....will you??

    Michael
     
  2. cassandrasdaddy

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    and then

    if you look at the 14.5 % number for hispanics you find that they are at worst represented in prison proportionately
     
  3. Zoogster

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    Actualy this is misleading as any arrested for serious felonies first due thier time in local jails, State prisons before being transfered to federal immigration facilities before being deported.

    Soon you will see the effects of organized hispanic prison gangs filled with both illegal and children of illegals that are legal US citizens in other states. California is exporting some of the members of the most dangerous gangs to other states in an attempt to break up thier organization, but will in the long term lead to expanded reach. These gangs regularly perform assassinations both inside and outside of prison. In fact the culture is so widespread you may have seen it already. In Southern CA La Eme or the Mexican Mafia are directly tied to street and prison operations. Gangs add 13 to thier name to show loyalty to La Eme. In Northern California they show support with a 14 to the Nuestra Familia, a gang with its roots in CA prison. Gangs on the street that do not support one or the other are enemies of most others in and out of prison. This of course is very important to criminals that can expect to spend a large portion of thier life in prisons. California's prison population is mainly hispanic, with whites and blacks the minority. Mexican organized crime run the prisons, with even LEO's afraid to cross them unless absolutely necessary. These organizations have connections throughout the drug cartels and are international.
    Once you have spanish speaking neighborhoods filled with illegals that don't dare to cross and thus harbor organized crime that has direct connections to powerful prison gangs, and narcotic cartels, your hospitals are closing down, your schools are falling apart even when most of your state budget funds them, and entire infrasctructers are crumbling because you have a parasitic culture that pays no taxes for the institutions it uses yet reaps all the rewards, then you can have a more accurate opinion. Of course by that time you will have the legal children of these people calling it a race issue and not the culture one it is. They will protest and lobby and block votes to fix the situation, and you will be beyond help localy like many areas of California.

    At that point then you can sit on a soapbox and tell stories of people just trying to sneak over to be used as slave labor to feed thier familes. People hire them because they require no benefits, no minimum wage, and will work for less than an American could survive or support a family on. This in turn means that any American employed in a job they can do is worth far less per hour.
    Yes I understand both sides of the issue, the facts are that we can either remain America or we can allow our culture to be eroded and replaced because to do otherwise might upset others. Mexico does not work. Mexican culture has failed Mexico, and the same corrupt culture would fail America. Americans of Mexican descent are Americans, but you have to slow the influx to allow immigrants to adapt to the current society and culture, not replace it.
     
  4. cassandrasdaddy

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    sorry about the size of this link

    http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_806ABCC.pdf

    but i'm not smart enough to give you just one part of it

    see figure 2 on page 5 for a nice graphic illusttration of the ratio of hispanics in jail vis a vis the number of hispanics over all

    and then get back to us..... or not
     
  5. longeyes

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    Razorburn, you're a funny guy. Hotheaded but still funny.

    You have a kind of innocence to your fact-free arguments that I find touching. Perhaps the estimated 60 per cent of gang members in L.A. who are illegal aliens from Mejico and Central American--that's an LAPD estimate, by the way--would find it comical but I know you're trying as hard as you can to whistle past the ugly facts.
     
  6. longeyes

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    I am going to light a candle for you, Razorburn.

    Now, tell me, hermano, where in Mejico are you posting from?
     
  7. Zoogster

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    Actualy it says exactly what I was saying in politicly correct terms, while making extra effort to point out that African Americans make up a very disproportionate % to the community even though they are still a minority in CA prisons.
    I don't know how accurate your posted link is but a few details from it include: "Reflecting California’s diverse
    population, a sizable share of prisoners
    was born outside the United
    States.7 Approximately 17 percent
    of all prisoners (28,279)...60% of them Mexicans (they do not go to prison for immigration violations, only crimes anyone else would go for)
    Three of every four men in
    prison are nonwhite (38% are
    Latino, 29% are African American,
    and 6% are of another race or
    ethnicity

    It goes on to explain how the federal government took control of the prisons because they were so out of hand. I can assure you from working with the system that it is the organized Hispanic prison gangs that are the reason. Guards were so under the rule of them that they were not being effective guards, yet they were unable to fix it on thier own due to fear of retribution, they have contacts in and out of prison and they can and do target those that interfere with thier politics. They have the loyalty of many street gangs, and going to prison for carrying out an order from one of them is not a real deterrant as they will live a better life in prison because of it.
    The feds came in and are trying to ship these organized criminals all over in an attempt to break apart thier influance. Most of who they ship will consist of members of these groups. This will likely be effective in the short term, but as they gain new contacts in communities across America the long term result will likely be even greater influance and power. They are directly tied with many cartels as it is mexican street gangs with loyalty sworn to La Eme and the Sureños (represented by XIII or 13) that distribute the drugs to the black street gangs that deal it on the retail level. So they are directly tied to the cartels and organized crime. This means contacts across the USA will already exist and influance will spread. Thier main influance follows predominantly Mexican Neighborhoods in which legals, illegals, and criminals can exist in a seperate communites outside the influance of mainstream American society and Law Enforcement.
    These people are not effectively countered with traditional methods of breaking up organized crime, such as hanging 20 years over thier head and promising them privelidges to snitch on fellow members as was done for Chicago and New York crime familes. These people spend much of thier lives in prison, thier self identity is connected with the lifestyle, and the lifestyle is not one of ejoying expensive material possessions like with those crime familes, but of power and prison with complex politics. So they have much less to miss or lose. They don't identify with America, and view themselves as some Native Aztec warrior detached from the exploitive society of America. Thier views do not have to be in touch with reality, they are deep and strong, with international and street contacts. An entire realm Americans have trouble infiltrating because it involves untraceable illegal immigrants that do not associate themselves with American values or society.
    This is a big reason the drug traficking cartels are so successful. These same Cartels are one of the main political factors of Mexican society, and have ties up and down Central and south America. They play the DEA like pawns to send them after eachother and use DEA agents as foot soldiers. Occasionaly they throw the DEA or Border Patrol a bone so they can appear effective. It is a culture war that is very deep and you have to secure the borders to slow it enough to deal with it.
     
  8. Kali Endgame

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    The only side I am on is the United States of America and her people. I had an argument with my sister on the demographic breakdown of the prison population. That is how I knew were to look. If you look at the ICE website, they have no information that I could find, on real numbers. This information must be "need to know". And we, the American Public, must not need to know.

    Here are my suggestions to improve the situation.
    #1 Apply tourniquet: Fence the borders
    #2 Close the Anchor baby loophole: Mother proves citizenship
    #3 Increase the immigration quotas
    #4 Illegal Aliens that can prove no criminal record and employment for 7 years can apply for citizenship. Unpaid Taxes or another fine is used for bailment.
    #5 Your suggestion here.

    I am NOT advocating any kind of amnesty. IA's should have to pay a fine and shouldn't be allowed access to social programs for a certain period of time. As long as the US is a beacon of possibilities, she will be attractive to those in worse situations. Most of us on this board were lucky enough to be born here. Some of you have travelled to third world countries and have seen what despair and abject poverty look like. The worst parts of this country are good living conditions in those countries.

    Illegal is illegal. Race, creed, orientation, affiliation, ethnicity, and whatever else I left out are not the issue here. This is a problem that is not easily fixed and sure isn't going to get better by ignoring it.

    The Minutemen is a start. Now were do we go from here?
     
  9. cassandrasdaddy

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    zoogster

    "(they do not go to prison for immigration violations, only crimes anyone else would go for)"


    did you really post that? after i provided the link that disabuses. those who take time to read it, of that particular delusion


    sorry it was Kaliendgame who provided this fron bop
    Types of Offenses back to top

    Drug Offenses: 95,689 (53.7 %)
    Weapons, Explosives, Arson: 25,316 (14.2 %)
    Immigration: 19,054 (10.7 %)
    Robbery: 9,630 (5.4 %)
    Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses: 6,800 (3.8 %)
    Extortion, Fraud, Bribery: 7,401 (4.2 %)
    Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses: 5,544 (3.1 %)
    Miscellaneous: 2,183 (1.2 %)
    Sex Offenses: 4,083 (2.3 %)
    Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement: 994 (0.6 %)
    Courts or Corrections: 735 (0.4 %)
    Continuing Criminal Enterprise: 579 (0.3 %)
    National Security: 105 (0.1 %)


    * Data calculated for those with offense-specific information available. "

    see the indication that 10.7% of total pop is there for immigration?
    and mostly i posted it to show that hispanics representation in prison mirrors their representation in society which makes sense as opposed to the portrayal that those of a certain mindset seem to entertain of them as a murderous rapine horde. those who misrepresent the truth only serve to mobilize folks like me into opposing them. the flakes who bs so prolifically got me off the fence and on the side opposing them.
     
  10. The Real Hawkeye

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    +1 Longeyes.

    That, combined with the minimum wage (Which Dems seek to increase), assures that teenagers will have a steadily harder time finding summer and after school work, the first wrungs in the ladder leading to a prosperous adult occupation. If our representatives in government wished to draw up a comprehensive plan to reduce us to Third World status, they could do no better than they have done these last few decades. You have to wonder. :uhoh:
     
  11. longeyes

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    Very insidious. Not only is the illegal alien importation system deleterious to the future job prospects of the children of our own citizens, it is one more element designed to alienate America's young from their own families and communities. Kids used to apprentice with family and friends and neighbors. Important social bonds were forged, along with those embryonic economic skills.

    Our own kids are getting mauled and mall'd.
     
  12. carebear

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    Hey, if they can't find jobs, they'll be easier to steer into dependence on Uncle Sugar to provide for them from cradle to grave.
     
  13. .45&TKD

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    I would take this challenge a step further.

    How many would be willing to become Precinct Committeemen and have their voices and letters resonate even louder than just one voter?

    I became a Precinct Comitteemen for the Republican Party a few years ago, and the politicians do listen to PC's more than they do the average voter.

    I've seen pol's get hammered at PC district meetings for gun and immigration related issues. That is how we can effect change at the grass roots level.
     
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