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VT paper calls for strict gun control

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  1. AntiqueCollector

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    A little background info. first so people understand what's going on: in Rutland there has been a surge in the number of violent crimes, generally all linked to drugs, either involving people from out of state (from NY, NJ and MA mostly) or addicts and such who are locals. The most recent one was right near a school, all involved were from out of state and it involved a drug deal. It was only a matter of time before the gun grabbers started these rants, never mind the fact the problems are all stemming from high crime states with strict gun control.

    http://rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080211/OPINION/802110316/1038/OPINION01
     
  2. HonorsDaddy

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    Don't expect it to go anywhere short of a state constitutional amendment.
     
  3. El Tejon

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    So, what about all the drug dealers shooting each other in states with heavy gun regulation--New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts?:confused:
     
  4. NG VI

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    there are three comments so far and they all have been very on-point. looks like one fool editor isn't in the same boat as his readers and presumed community members.
     
  5. Conqueror

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    Maybe someone could point out that drug dealers are, by definition, not too concerned with the law, and would not be too concerned with gun bans either.
     
  6. Alex45ACP

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    Sounds to me like yet another reason to abolish drug prohibition.
     
  7. romma

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    Maybe it's time for VT residents to go the other way with this and actually take advantage of their liberal carry laws and start arming themselves more!
     
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    In Vermont? Hahaha. No. There isnt a more pro-gun state in the entire country. Gotta love that the 2A is simply 'hunting' to the author.
     
  9. CountGlockula

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    I like this comment:

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    I like the funding more protection. Gun buybacks should go to the police/Sheriff's department to hire more training, staff and overtime.
     
  10. havoc7usmc

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    Hey Gents,
    Well I'm a firm believer in the 2nd amendment and that is why I moved to the great state of Vermont after I retired from the Marine Corps. I, like so many other vets, have lived looking down both ends of the barrel. I can not understand why some one would want the government to say "you can not own a firearm for protection, the police will protect you".

    Sorry gents. I'm going to get off this subject because it burns me so much that I can't really write anything coherently about it.:cuss:
     
  11. Mainsail

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    Thanks for the blind link.
     
  12. gunsmith

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    Don't be a lazy linker cut and paster!

    Seeking solutions

    February 11, 2008

    The shooting death last week of a New York state man during an alleged drug deal has shaken Rutland, either because of the frequency of violent deaths in the county in the past year, or the location — less than a block from the middle school — or some combination of factors.

    Part of the reaction probably comes from a feeling by many that we're being invaded by outside forces. This is only half true: The drugs for the most part come from outside Vermont, as do some of the dealers. But without demand from local users, those dealers would go elsewhere.

    The cocaine trade is laissez-faire capitalism in its rawest form.

    Officer Tim Tuttle of the city police noted recently that the out-of-town dealers usually have a local sponsor, who might provide housing, a place to deal out of the public eye and/or connections to local users, in return for access to the drugs or money. And there's a lot of money at stake. Tuttle said that one dealer, after his arrest, reported earning $30,000 per week. With that kind of money, those folks who hope to somehow shut the trade down by manning the barricades at the Amtrak and bus depots need to think again. Successful drug dealers can clearly afford car payments, and according to police, most of the merchandise is coming up from either Massachusetts or New York on the highways, resulting in the occasional busts of major shipments on the interstates.

    The police are under the pressure to be expected when violent crime is on the rise. Specifically, their methodical approach is designed to procure successful court convictions: A tip might lead to surveillance, planting an informant and then a raid and arrests. But a lot of residents would rather see the police raiding suspected drug houses as soon as they have enough probable cause to get a warrant from a judge. It's a higher-profile tactic, which means it is likely to be popular, but it's not clear if it would just make the criminals more mobile and so even harder to catch. It might also chase dealers into surrounding small towns with even less police presence, without reducing the underlying drug trade. Turning the city's drug traffickers into Mendon's, Brandon's and Wallingford's drug traffickers doesn't seem like much of a solution.

    Predictably, the police want more money for staffing and overtime. Just as predictably, many taxpayers would be happier about that if they saw fewer officers working overtime sitting in their cars at construction sites. A rethink of priorities is in order along with the request for extra cash.

    A renewed effort by federal prosecutors, which they have promised to provide, would certainly help, particularly against the bigger dealers.

    Also promising are proposals to reinvigorate the Rutland United Neighborhood citizens' groups. Neighborhood watch programs are effective at identifying and shutting down houses being used for drugs.

    Urban geography is another piece of the puzzle, from zoning through the role of the city's slumlords. For the most part, drugs are prevalent in neighborhoods where there are high concentrations of low-rent, multifamily apartments. In bigger cities, eliminating these kinds of substandard housing conditions has helped address the social conditions that breed drug dealers, to the point that many cities have started demolishing their tenements. Pride of place empowers the kind of citizen activism that increases reporting to police and forces drug dealers back underground, it seems.

    And finally, Vermont needs to consider its gun laws. A recent report by the Brady Foundation recently gave the state among the worst marks of any jurisdiction in the country. Sensible controls on things like restricting sales by unlicensed dealers at gun shows don't do anything to affect the Second Amendment rights of legitimate gun owners.

    It's time Vermont's hunting community woke up to the fact that semiautomatic pistols in the hands of drug dealers have nothing to do with a well regulated militia and a great deal to do with nighttime shootings on our streets
     
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    Sorry...not sure what you meant about the "Blind Link", I'm still working my way around how post and participate in a forum. Any tips.

    Guns-out

    Semper Fi
     
  14. Winchester 73

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    A "well regulated miltitia".We see how bright the Rutland Herald's Editorial Board is.Dumb and dumber.
     
  15. Samuel Adams

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    I have never tried illegal drugs nor will I ever knowingly try them. That being said, most of these drugs should be treated the same as alcohol. Control them and tax the hell out of them. Let others work for us like industrial hemp. It has thousands of uses and is grown in every industrialized country except for ours.

    Prohibition didn't work in the 1920s and 30s. It only brought about the same type of people participating in "laissez-faire capitalism in its rawest form" we have in today's "War on Drugs" It also brought about the same methods of dealing with the competition. Not only does today's so-called "War on Drugs" create this type of criminal element, not unlike Al Capone, but we, in turn, create more government bureaucracy. Bureaucracy breeds bureaucracy.

    Don't blame the guns. Blame government regulation.

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  16. AntiqueCollector

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    Outside of the urban parts, like Rutland, Burlington, etc. Rutland, afterall, was the losing side in the 1903 state Supreme Court case that declared restricting carrying unconstitutional, and the city tried again in the 1990's to restrict carrying guns but folded when other towns/cities lost in court or were about to around the same time. Be aware the urban socialists do want gun control and I foresee more trouble over it in the future.
     
  17. Mainsail

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    Highlight the text, right click, copy. Then paste into notepad to get rid of all the html formatting, repeat the copy thing again, and paste into your thread. You can even skip the notepad part and it will probably come out ok. There are two huge reasons for pasting instead of just linking. First, the links often change or are deleted at their source after a while, so later if someone is looking at your thread, the link goes nowhere and becomes a waste of bandwidth. Second, some of us are behind firewalls at work and clicking on somebody’s link can take you to a website the IT folks might not appreciate, and can get the clicker into trouble.
     
  18. AntiqueCollector

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    Copyright and all...
     
  19. ServiceSoon

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    This is probably the worse anti-second article I have ever read.
    The source is given. This is a very common practice on the internet. Congress hasn't caught-up with technology (re: freedom).
     
  20. yhtomit

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    From that article:
    Only if you have no idea what "laissez-faire" means.

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  21. kurtmax

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    I was about to say just that :p
     
  22. VirgilCaine

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    I was going to say something but yhtomit took the words out of my mouth...
     
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