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VT Stand Down Order ?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by pcosmar, Apr 21, 2007.

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  1. pcosmar

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    Groan. I'm starting to hate conspiracy theories.

    In this day of instant gratification a la TV, coupled with suppressive lawsuits, people don't seem to understand how long it takes to coordinate a response to such events - and how fast such event unfold.

    Seems there's a subculture that WANTS the gov't to be evilly involved in anything that goes wrong, and looks for, plays up, and makes up anything that can be vaguely attached.
     
  3. Thin Black Line

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    Well, this would be very easy to prove or dispel w/ the tapes from dispatch
    and radio traffic that day.....do we use tape anymore or is it all digital....
     
  4. pcosmar

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    I did not say any thing about a conspiracy.
    I asked if there was such an order. And wondered why, while shots are being fired, no one drove a truck through the door.

    I don't jump on every theory, I didn't even believe the info on the North American Union. Now there is a Mexican Port in Kansas.
    I was looking for Info, not, Not Bulls**t.
     
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    How does this rumored theory account for eyewitness reports such as:

    Edmund Henneke, associate dean of engineering, said he was in the classroom building and he and colleagues had just read the e-mail advisory regarding the first shooting and were discussing it when he heard gunfire. He said moments later SWAT team members rushed them downstairs "but the doors were chained and padlocked from the inside." They left the building through a construction area that had not been locked.
     
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    Collateral damage, ie, more dead college students from pulling a Hollywood
    stunt like that.

    How about busting a basement window instead?
     
  7. pcosmar

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    This is exactly what causes questions,
    SWAT team rushed them to locked doors. What they forgot how the got in? Had no secured exit?
    Moments later... 32 people were executed, more wounded. The killer had more than "a few moments".

    And yes i watched video of the waiting, while shots were fired.
    My question was about such an order. Not about anything else.

    And NO, I do not trust the government. There are many documented reasons not to.
     
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    "What they forgot how the got in?"

    Ever occur to you they decided to take a different route out - one that led them away from the shooting.

    You know, all this whining about the pics of the cops surrounding the building is pathetic. Of course some cops stayed outside while others went in. You don't send everybody on a mad charge.

    John
     
  9. Double Naught Spy

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    Don't be surprised or shocked. Your source for the conspiracy theory is an internet tabloid that cites the Jones Report for a bunch of its information and the Jones report has articles like
    And they cite Wikipedia for justification that there is a policy for federal control over VT after the last incident, only the Wikipedia article says nothing on the matter.

    Nothing in the articles pertaining to the stand down come from direct sources that are credible.

    As for your North American Union conspiracy, you have to believe trade agreements make the NAU reality. They don't. I see the oh-so credible World Net Daily News is behind much of the conspiracy theory on that one. I really like their articles on space alien abductions. They are funny!
     
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    Can't wait to see how this morsel of info is handled:

     
  11. pcosmar

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    The shooting was over, the killer was dead.
     
  12. pcosmar

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    They raised questions.

    The North American Union is well past "conspiracy", construction has begun. And I do not take one source as fact. I go looking for more info.
    I would suppose that you believe information released under the Freedom of information Act is just more anti-govt "conspiracy"
    After all if CNN and FOX don't cover it, it can't be true.
     
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    Wonderful site. In addition to raising questions about VT, they have a full selection of 9/11 CT and one I hadn't previously been aware of:

    The Tsunami was a government plot.

    We should probably take this to APS or, better yet, loose change.
     
  14. pcosmar

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    I asked a question, not because of a conspiracy theory, But because I have questions and things don't add up correctly.
    I know, NEVER question, or don't ask the Wrong question.
    Our government only does things for our own good.

    They have our best interest at heart,
    Yeah right, I'm supposed to trust them to tell the truth.
    It is more responsible to question what we are told.
    There are those in positions of power who seek to control every aspect of our lives.
    The 2nd amendment gets in their way.
     
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    Hanlan's Razor (paraphrased): Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by normal human fallibility.

    My Mom: You are judged by the company you keep.

    And the federal stand-down article is keeping company with some seriously strained stuff. It's hard to pick a favorite. Personally, I'm torn between the proof positive that Princess Diana was ritually murdered by elite globalists and the Mason's satanic blood rituals. The 9/11 stuff is so last year.

    Nothing wrong with asking questions. It should be encouraged. However, nothing about asking questions implies a need for far-fetched answers as the first refuge.
     
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    Some questions are born of a desire for conspiratorial answers - especially when they demand intricate answers to mundane realities ... and especially when things like Operation Paperclip are trotted out as analogous examples to legitimize the search for non-mundane answers.

    The response time seems a bit too long? It always does.
     
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    Okay, so you and the boys at MIB (Men in Black) believe the tabloids are the true news sources. Got it.

    I think you missed the point. It isn't that if CNN or Fox don't cover it, then it must not be true. The point is that the sources you cite for this stuff are sources that publish on really hokey matters such as mind control conspiracies, big foot, space aliens, the UN buildup in Bastrop, Texas, etc. The generate a mountain of stories of which a huge amount are garbage.

    But hey, if you want to look at conspiracies, don't you think it is amazing that Prison Planet cites Alex Jones and Alex Jones advertises on Prison Planet? Don't you think it is amazing that Prison Planet and Alex Jones have this eye witness to things who is named Matt Kazee who just happens to be a reports Blacksburg local and Matt Kazee is from the Truth Movement Network? Don't you think it is amazing that Alex Jones advertising on the Truth Movement Network web site? That is quite the incestuous conspiracy group, each site being a conspiracy site and each citing each other as sources.

    Hey, no doubt Matt Kazee is an outstanding eyewitness reporter. Listen for yourself how well he is able to pin down the timing of the events being at 15 after 10:00, or 15 before 10:00, maybe it was 9:30, but sometime around 10:00.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=GRYfhqY-4T8
    Listen to he call in to the Alex Jones show because the first thing he realized he needed to do when he heard about things was call the show.
     
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    Ok, I will agree that a lot of Conspiracy Theories are silly.
    Some, however, have a basis in fact. Others have been proven to be true.
    There are those who conspire against the People of the United States.
    There is an effort to eliminate the 2nd amendment. To disarm the American public.
    There is a effort to track every purchase and every person. The REAL ID is no theory. Tracking chips are not sci-fi. They are a fact.
    The North American Union is not a Theory. It is being implemented, without a vote, through backroom deals. The Mexican Port in Kansas is being built.
    These are facts, not theories.

    I asked a question about a Possibility of a Stand Down Order.
    Though this could have been a random event, there is equal chance that it could have been a planed event. I DO NOT Know.
    That I do not trust people and powers that have proven time and again, to not have the best honesty or respect for the Constitution, is a given.
    I will question everything. I do not trust a dishonest media to tell me the truth.
    Oh yeah, what of the second "suspect" they had in custody. Has anyone heard more. Or is that a question that should not be asked.
     
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    OK,How about these,
    http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/24441.html
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover041207.htm
    http://www.channelingreality.com/NAU/NAU_Timeline.pdf
    http://www.conservativeusa.org/northamericanunion.htm

    Just a couple other sources, there are hundreds. But thats ok.
    I know it can be hard to see when your head is under the sand.
     
  20. Jeff White

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    Gee, do you think the complete lack of response in the two hours between the shooting incidents might have been because the police were investigating the first shooting as a typical domestic violence killing and their ESP failed to tell them that it was the opening round for a mass killing? :rolleyes:

    During those two hours they were looking for people connected to the victims of the first shooting incident. Why? Because killings by strangers are very rare.

    The feds told the locals to stand down? I'd be willing to bet the feds didn't even know about the first shootings at that time. We don't call the FBI every time there is a violent crime.....

    Jeff
     
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    +1, excellent comments Jeff.
     
  22. pcosmar

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    Good comments. I would guess that you have heard nothing.
    The question was, Has anybody else heard anything?
    So far it is just this one witness who claims to have seen pissed off police officers.
    Thats why I was asking.
    Simple answer= no.
    I do not have an agenda.
     
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    Yeah, and the Apollo moon landings were filmed in the Nevada desert at night. :rolleyes:

    Come on guys, there are a million legitimate reasons why SWAT didnt storm the campus after the first shootings.
     
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    Okay then, NO, the only sources any of us have seen have been from the conspiracy folks noted in the sources you provided.
     
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    I dunno, Jeff, I've seen a lot of cop movies and the feds are constantly taking over and forcing local heroes to stand down.
     
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