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VZ 58 VS galil

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by pvtmcd, Oct 10, 2008.

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VZ 58 or Galil

  1. VZ 58

    57 vote(s)
    75.0%
  2. Galil

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    25.0%
  1. pvtmcd

    pvtmcd New Member

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    VZ 58 VS galil
    If you'd kindly compare the two, I'd appreciate it.
     
  2. kb308

    kb308 New Member

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    Accuracy: probably VZ58
    Weight: DEFINATELY VZ58
    Ruggedness: Probably Galil (although the VZ is quite rugged)
    Reliability: Both are quite reliable, but I'd guess Galil because it's so close to the AK.
     
  3. SimpleIsGood229

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    Are we talking about genuine IMI Galils, or are CAI Golanis, ORF Galils, and whatever else included?

    If we're talking about IMI Galils, it seem to me that the choice between the Galil and Vz.58 would come down to personal preference (even though I'm sure nalioth is probably going to argue for the Vz.! ;))
     
  4. nalioth

    nalioth Senior Member

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    Vz58 is chambered for 7.62x39
    Galil is chambered for .223/5.56x45

    Vz58 weighs 2.91 kg (6.42 lb) empty.
    Galil AR weighs 3.95 kg (8.71 lb) empty.

    Vz58 is 861 mm (33.9 in) in length (US version)
    Galil AR is 987 mm (38.9 in) in length.

    Vz58 has 30 round magazine capacity (10 in neutered version). 30 round mags are aluminum.
    Galil has 12, 35 and 50 round magazine capacity. Mags come in steel (12 & 50 rounders) and polymer (35 rounders).

    I can only recommend the IMI Galils. Buying one from another source is a crapshoot.

    If you can afford both, buy both. I prefer the light weight and small size and superior ergonomics of the Vz58.

    There really is no comparison, imho. They are apples and oranges.
     
  5. HorseSoldier

    HorseSoldier Senior Member

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    Like SimpleIsGood noted -- real Galil vs real vz.58 is a different topic than commercially available Galil vs vz.58 here in the US. For the latter, I'd vote for the 58.
     
  6. PILMAN

    PILMAN Senior Member

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    that's a hard one, I don't have any opinions yet because I own a clone of a Galil and i'm buying a VZ58, i'll need an authentic Galil to be able to tell.
     
  7. SaMx

    SaMx Senior Member

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    I would go for th vz.58 because it's lighter and the action is unusual and interesting.
     
  8. Evil Monkey

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    Both of them are not exactly note worthy rifles. But the fact that the vz58 is lighter and exhibits features desirable that the galil doesn't have makes the vz58, in my opinion, the better rifle.

    Anything AK derived doesn't impress me, so the galil is no exception. With it's lack of a bolt catch, weight, backwards left side selector switch, rock in mag system, price per unit, it can't compete with the insane amount of modern designs with the same cost.
     
  9. PILMAN

    PILMAN Senior Member

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    The VZ58 is not AK derived, it's completely different.
     
  10. Evil Monkey

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    I know that. I was talking about the Galil.
     
  11. stubbicatt

    stubbicatt Senior Member

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    I know that...
     
  12. armoredman

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    I have never handled a Galil, so my opinion doesn't really count, but i will say my vZ-58 is outstanding, and beats many of the semi-auto military pattern rifles I have had.
     
  13. pvtmcd

    pvtmcd New Member

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    Thanks for all the info. I guess I'm more interested in the commercially available versions of these rifles.
    It looks like I'll be getting a vz 58 when I get back home...
     
  14. Artigas

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    I dunno... my opinion is essentially worthless, but just handling a Galil, it seems to fit. I can't really explain it. It just seems to all come together when you shoulder it. But maybe that's just me.
     
  15. Ed DCB

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    Having used both, VZ 58.
     
  16. Gunsby_Blazen

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    the VZ is freaking sweet!!!!
    if I could, I would buy one myself
     
  17. anymanusa

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    I voted VZ, if for nothing else (which there is plenty of), the round it fires is superior imo. I have very little desire for the .223 round, although it does have its place.
     
  18. PILMAN

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    Galils are made in .308 as well.
     
  19. nalioth

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    and 7.62x39, too.

    Those were commercial offerings, and whole different beasts than the military accepted .223 Galils.
     
  20. Wes Janson

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    Realistically though, on the current market between the Century .223 Galil and the VZ-58 offerings, there's no comparison at all. The VZ-58 is a far better rifle than the Century model.
     
  21. Ash

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    Especially considering the vast difference in prices between a real Galil and the current ones.

    Ash
     
  22. gunnie

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    Follow Your Instincts

    get a valmet...galil had to pay valmet royalties to begin mfg their AK. same are still <2K. or if that's too spendy, get the interordnance 2003C. hammer forged steyr chrome lined bbl. threaded AR birdcage flash hider. '74 series gas system. tapco anti slap trigger. QD combloc scope mount. the gas piston, the bolt, and the gas tube should be chromed also, but that is cheap/easy to remedy.

    above some have noted a dislike for the kalashnikov system, and the 223, 5.56 caliber. both are designed as close quarters weapons.

    ~where most REAL WORLD fire fights take place~.

    the mythical average shooter does well to hit the ground at 600 yards. so the caliber having a realistic 2-300yd ceiling is non-issue. as is the lack of accuracy in poorly fitted combloc iron. another consideration is that 223/5.56 ammo will be available in north america LONG after the other calibers have dried up.

    but i'm guessing that private MCD has already figured this out in the sandbox. i'm sure he has seen more than one A4 rendered useless with dust/sand blockage. the AK is reliable as a claw hammer. that is the feature that has made it the best selling war toy on the planet. this is due to plenty of room for mung and spooh to move outta the way of the bolt and carrier. same is also the cause of mediocre of accuracy.

    when i am forced to bet my assets on a rifle, i'll pick reliability as priority #1.

    yes, i have semi's that are more accurate, AND shoot 7.62 nato. but for overall use in SHTF scenarios, the AK is hard to beat.

    gunnie
     
  23. nalioth

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    The STG-2003 is a WASR made for InterOrdnance instead of Century.

    There are no Steyr barrels in them.

    Barrels made with Steyr techniques? Sure, everyone uses those.
     
  24. gunnie

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    PS

    below from wikipedia:

    The locking system [on the VZ 58] features a falling breech lock hinged from the breech block and breech block carrier that contains two locking lugs which descend into and engage locking shoulders in the receiver’s internal guide rails. The weapon is unlocked by the short tappet-like stroke of the piston rod as it strikes the breech block carrier and drives it rearwards.

    this is the same system of the BAR, FAL, and SKS. perhaps an FAL or SKS in 7.62? the falling block actions ARE more dust sensitive than an AK. but they are inherently more accurate.

    gunnie
     
  25. gunnie

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    nalioth,

    Barrels made with Steyr techniques? Sure, everyone uses those.

    define everyone... i can go a LONG list of currently issued wartoys that don't.

    after some research, i have found that IO's original ad implied steyr mfg, but further investigation backs your statement that same is NOT the case.

    gunnie
     

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