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WA State Alien Firearms Licenses Part II

Discussion in 'Activism' started by MD_Willington, Jan 8, 2009.

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  1. MD_Willington

    MD_Willington Member

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    Here we go again...

    WA State LPRs and all other WA State residents for that matter, check in...

    Tune in to this:
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1052&year=2009

    Find Your Legislator
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx

    Please contact them and urge them to support

    HB 1052 - 2009-10

    This will reinstate issuing of the AFL to non-immigrant aliens

    AND aparently

    Drop the requirement for LPRs aka Green Card Holders... as the license is a violation of your 14th and 2nd A rights guaranteed to you once you obtained your Green Card.

    Thank you for your time...


    PS theres's a catch...

    This was veteod last year...


    And it is coming quicker than you think...

    Jan 15 2009 Scheduled for public hearing in the House Committee on Judiciary at 10:00 AM in anticipation of other legislative action.


    !!! GO GO GO !!!
     
  2. MD_Willington

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    RE HB1052 support...

     
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    Contact these people and ask them to support HB1052

    House Committee on Judiciary members and contact information:

    Representative Steve Kirby
    Democrat
    Tacoma
    (360) 786-7996
    Kirby.Steve@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Dennis Flannigan
    Democrat
    Tacoma
    (360) 786-7930
    Flannigan.Dennis@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Timm Ormsby
    Democrat
    Spokane
    (360) 786-7946
    Ormsby.Timm@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Jay Rodne
    Republican
    North Bend
    (360) 786-7852
    Rodne.Jay@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Mary Helen Roberts
    Democrat
    Lynnwood
    (360) 786-7950
    Roberts.MaryHelen@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Roger Goodman
    Democrat
    Kirkland
    (360) 786-7878
    Goodman.Roger@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Troy Kelley
    Democrat
    Tacoma
    (360) 786-7890
    Kelley.Troy@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Jamie Pedersen
    Democrat
    Seattle
    (360) 786-7826
    Pedersen.Jamie@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Charles Ross
    Republican
    Naches
    (360) 786-7856
    Ross.Charles@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Judy Warnick
    Republican
    Moses Lake
    (360) 786-7932
    Warnick.J@leg.wa.gov

    Representative Matthew Shea
    Republican
    Mead
    (360) 786-7984
    Shea.Matt@leg.wa.gov
     
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    Please contact them,the bill goes to them on the 22nd of January.
     
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    The bill goes to a "Possible Executive Session"

    The more people that contact the committee the better.

    If they give it the thumbs up, then it goes to Rules...

    If it gets the thumbs up there it goes to the Governor.
     
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    Received this yesterday from Senator Holmquist:

    Should both bills pas their respective Houses, they will have to then meet in committee to be resolved and merged.

    I thought it would then go to the Senate, rather than straight from the House to the Governor.

    Pops
     
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    Hmm...

    I read the wording in SB 5195 and it seemed that it was focused on hunting.

    The sections between relate to the AFL as currently defined in RCW 9.41.170 (maybe the state senate haven't heard that since the DOL aren't happy with a WSP supplied summary, the FBI stopped sending background checks for ALF's to WSP). However it STILL contravenes the 2A, since there is no clause for RKBA for other than hunting, this might wind up being more restrictive than the current law.

    There's also language that states in the clause I added that an ALIEN (regardless of status I assume since it doesn't clarify) needs a NON-RESIDENT hunting license, how very 21st century of them, I guess this is because a nonresident license is more expensive, but I also object that according to this bill, I'm classified as a nonresident of Washington State, obviously for the purposes of price gouging, which could be seen as taxation without representation.

    You know, I suspect that by the time this is all sorted out, I'll have retired to Alaska, and surviving out on my Land. Or a US Citizen, or perhaps both in any of these cases this issue I have disappears.
     
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    Yeah I'll probably be sworn in too before this is sorted out...

    Pops, you probably know more about the steps than I do..

    Anyway, I have my people people on speed dial and she'll keep me updated on HB1052

    Otherwise we can only hope the NRA lawsuit gets us to where we want to be if these bills get dropped.
     
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    YAY !

    :D Hey guys well it seems like 1052 will be the ticket us LPR's need , about time .
    havent been on the forum for a while but will be checking in more reguarly from now on to keep up with this , MD keep up the good work , I'm keeping my fingers crossed on my left hand and keeping my trigger finger supple on the right :) my local dealer has a really nice mosin carbine that I'd like to buy as a late xmas gift to myself , lets hope its still there when it gets sorted .
    Will be interesting to see the flood of gun sales if this passes .
     
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    eh crap... received this today


    BOOO
     
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    So it went to the governor and she vetoed it?
     
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    c'mon NRA

    do they not realise that if this isnt put right , then the NRA are gonna bust it completely , or at least they are gonna try .:banghead::cuss: so whats happening with that law suit ? from what I understand that was put in back in november .
     
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    Yep, if the AFL is considered illegal by the federal court then WA State could be in some trouble.

    Consider, loss of earnings, and punitive damages from class action lawsuits, I wonder whether anyone has been deported for contravening RCW 9.41.170 what damage did that cause them, in property loss, loss of earnings etc. not to mention damage inflicted. For those not directly impacted by contravening then there is still a case that they have had their rights impinged for a number of years, and this could lead to punitive damages.

    IANAL but I can talk to one if the NRA win this suit and see what the position would be on trying this.
     
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    Just received this from Jim Moeller

    Hi:
    The executive session has been delayed to take advantage of another opportunity to group the bill with another. I have assurance from the chair that the bill will be exec from committee. Thanks for your
    interest.

    -jm
     
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    Ah, that sounds better Gungnir...

    The plaintiffs in the NRA suit are possibly going to lose employment, personal property, the ability to stay in the USA & become a US citizen or all 3 of those combined.

    As you're probably aware, a lot of LPR's are married to a US citizen, and may have children, born in the US, that are US citizens. By removing the firearms, the State would be denying those firearms to both the LPR and the US citizen spouse and or children who may also be US citizens.

    That would be what 3 violations, 14th, 2nd and 4th..

    14th - Equal protection
    2nd - Right to bear arms.
    4th - Property confiscation
     
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    Yeah, I sent a message back, explaining my concern after similar incidences in previous sessions :)

    Yes, you're right on the counts, my Immigration Attorney demanded my wife's gun collection be locked in a safe or safe area that I do not have the key or combination to, and that under no circumstances should she have any weapon unlocked while I was present (so no "just in case" shotgun under the bed), until I can obtain an AFL. I quoted the 14th and 2nd at him, and explained that he was requesting that a US Citizen voluntarily suspend their 2nd amendment rights and self defense rights, for my safety, to which he said he didn't agree either, but that was WA for you. Actual or constructive possession was his concern.

    But we'll see what happens, I think that SB5195 and HB1052 will be merged, I'm just not that happy with the wording of SB5195, since it still requires an AFL for anything but hunting. But if they repeal RCW 9.41.170 for LPRs, and then add section 5 of SB5195 I'd be happier.
     
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    Just wanted to correct the State Bill

    it is SB5193
     
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    Thanks for your work MD!

    Email sent to my Senators and Reps.
     
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    Does anyone have a link for the NRA/SAF court filing, and findings?

    I've dug through the WA court system for this and can't find it.

    TIA
     
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    I couldnt find anything on it either , maybe it wasnt filed in WA state , does anyone have an insider in the NRA or SAF that could keep us posted on this ?
     
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    PM me you email addresses.. I have the a load of PDFs on the case.
     
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    Email sent
     
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    and you could hear a pin drop

    its very quiet in here , are you all holding your breath :what:. I wouldnt recommend it :rolleyes:
     
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