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Waco (Texas) Tribune-Herald: Register All Guns

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  1. Sawdust

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    'Arms' have come a long way since the Founding Fathers

    By Rowland Nethaway
    September 20, 2004

    'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    For some gun owners, the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution means no gun control laws. No infringement means just that -- no laws that restrict the right of citizens to own and equip themselves with armaments of their choosing.

    For many gun control advocates, the key to understanding the Second Amendment lies in the part that about a well-regulated militia being necessary to defend the nation. The amendment emphasizes citizens using arms in a regulated military application. There wasn't much controversy over this issue back when the nation's founders included it in the Bill of Rights, promulgated in 1791 to provide guarantees of individual liberties to citizens who had many of these rights abridged by British colonial authorities.

    The need for citizens to be able to grab a musket from over the fireplace and join neighbors in a militia in defense of their homeland made sense after the American Revolution.

    The nation's founders thought in terms of citizen soldiers. To them, the term "arms" meant muzzle-loading guns, swords, knives, pistols and cannon.

    The word "arms" is not limited to rifles, shotguns and pistols. Arms mean weapons used in fighting, especially in warfare. It is the root of armaments, armies and armadas.

    Today, arms include Cruise missiles, land mines, shoulder-fired missiles, stealth bombers and all manner of weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear bombs.

    Not only did the nation's founders lack standing national armies and navies, they also could never have imagined that the word "arms" could include today's weaponry. Like it or not, the right of the private citizens to keep and bear arms has already been infringed by outlawing the ownership of all sorts of weapons now relegated for use by the nation's well-regulated military.

    Today's heated disputes over gun-control laws swirl around how to best regulate what is left, shotguns and relatively small- caliber rifles and handguns.

    There was a time when any American with $200 could buy a new Thompson fully automatic .45-caliber machine gun. These weapons became popular with gangsters who used them to mow down police officers and innocent bystanders.

    To protect society, Second Amendment or not, Congress soon passed a popular gun control law that outlawed the manufacture and sale of new fully automatic weapons to private citizens. Like most regulations, there are exceptions and loopholes in the machine gun law. By getting the right sort of license, which in the past has been easy, citizens can still own fully automatic machine guns.

    The 10-year 1994 "assault weapons ban" that Congress recently refused to renew was a case study in exceptions and loopholes.

    Although the 1994 ban outlawed the manufacture of 19 semiautomatic weapons and features such as bayonet mounts, flash suppressors, collapsing stocks, certain grips and grenade launchers, gun manufacturers easily outmaneuvered the law with a few minor changes and a new name for the same weapons.

    Besides, all the millions of old weapons with the newly outlawed features, including large ammunition clips, were still legal and easily obtained.

    My proposal is to regulate guns the same way we regulate cars, planes and other motor vehicles. We should register all guns, old and new, and license the owners. No exceptions. No loopholes. Then we should crack down hard on gun crimes.

    As a lifelong gun owner, my rights would not be infringed, but the licensing and registration would better protect society in the same way it does with motor vehicles.

    -- Rowland Nethaway is senior editor of the Waco (Texas) Tribune-Herald.
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    Sigh. Never thought I'd hear this from a Texan. :scrutiny:

    Sawdust
     
  2. Zrex

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    It's times like this that I wish stupidity was painful.
     
  3. El Tejon

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    I propose that we register newspapers? Would that be O.K.?:rolleyes:
     
  4. Tamara

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    They also had no way to forsee that "the press" would include vapid bubble-heads nattering away on a world-wide electronic network about topics that they grasp about as well as a trilobyte grasps quantum mechanics.

    Got a license for that keyboard, Rowland?
     
  5. Hawkmoon

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    Makes me ashamed that I was born in the same state.

    He doesn't get it. Doesn't matter what "arms" the founders contemplated. The reason they "lacked" standing armies and navies is for the very well documented reason that they didn't trust the critters and didn't want any part of them.

    And, no, I don't like the fact that our right to keep and bear arms has already been infringed one little bit.
     
  6. Smoke

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    The Waco Tribune Herald is one of the most Liberal minded pieces of left wing garbage printed today. Total waste of a tree.

    I am not surprised by anything printed there. This is so typical.

    Roland Nethaway is not a Texan...he just happens to live here. He is the Michael Moore of Waco.

    You can read more of his mindless drivel and respond to his "Opinions" Here

    Smoke
     
  7. ballistic gelatin

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    Obviously not a Native Texan...
     
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    So under this scheme, I assume all states would honor gun licenses from other states, and I could take and use my gun in any state or jurisdiction, just like I can with my car now?
     
  9. EricOKC

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    The thing these simpletons seem to not think about with this scenario, is if a car is never taken on a public road, it need not be registered. There are also no restrictions on the power or capacity of a car, or on the ages of who may purchase one or use one on private property.

    I'd LOVE to have that level of flexibility compared to what we have now.
     
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    Cool-that means I get to operate all my registered firearms on LBJ Freeway?:D
     
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    I e-mailed him, for what it's worth.
    The argument is borrowed from an editorial in G&A

    I just read your article entitled "From muskets to missiles"
    And I have to applaud your understanding of the AWB for what it was, and not a machine gun ban as so many others proclaim. However one comment in particular that struck a chord in me as I was reading was your proposal to treat guns the same as cars.Personally I think this could be a good way to address the gun and gun law situation.

    For instance, my drivers license allows me to drive a passenger vehicle anywhere in the country with only minor differences in traffic laws. A more advanced license can be obtained by taking a simple test allowing me to upgrade the type of vehicle i wish to drive.
    I assume the gun license you propose will allow similar considerations in regards to guns.

    I can buy and own as many cars as I would like and drive as much as I like with no age restrictions or registration as long as I only drive while on my own land. The gun registration applies the same, yes?

    Will the gun license and registration fees go towards public firearm education and public ranges the way automobile fees go toward maintaining public roadways and drivers awareness programs

    I will also assume that just as there is no restrictions on the fuel and passenger capacity or the acessories I add to my vehicle are not restricted, unless they make the car unfit for the job which it was designed to do, that the magazine capacity and cosmetic features would no longer be of issue

    All in all I like it maybe you could throw your support towards the National Concealed Carry movement that is going on today.
     
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    I've recently learned this may not be true. Apperently in CA (of course) if you don't keep a vehicle insured and registered the health department can come onto your property, or into your locked garage, and take it.
     
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    No thanks Mr. Nethaway.
     
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    I assume that if this is the case, the Health Department officials in question are probably armed? How ironic.

    Rick
     
  15. Sawdust

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    No...not true. It doesn't have to be registered if it is not "driven, towed, stored, parked on public roads or highways or parked in an off-street public parking facility at any time during the registration period."


    You just have to file a "Certificate of Planned Non-operation". Of course, you have to pay to file the certificate...

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    So in other words it's registered.
     
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    Whatever, dean. :rolleyes:

    The point is, the health department doesn't come to your house nor bust into your locked garage to take the vehicle.

    </thread hijack...my own, no less>


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    Thats California. They arent really part of the US anymore anyway are they?

    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
     
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    I hate to say this and I don't mean to insult anybody, but California is a lost cause on many levels
     
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    I don't know about that........Amanda Bynes does live there.:)
     
  21. EricOKC

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    Gonna have to do better than that...

    Some of us dont like the brainless 18 year old twit look...
     
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    :D :D :D

    Gaw dang, ifin I was 20 years younger, 20 pounds lighter and single I'd be sendin roses that that there gal that wrote that!

    WildswoonAlaska
     
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    First of all, I'd like to know how many innocent bystanders were "mowed down" by gangsters wielding Tommy guns. The number is vanishingly small - unless you get all of your facts from the movies.

    Second, I'd like to have some of the same rights as my grandparents did. The crime rate was a lot lower per 100,000 people back then, despite the lack of limits on what you could own. Sheesh, I'd like to have the right to order via the mails the way my parents could have, pre-1968,

    Only if part of that statute is that anyone who even proposes to limit guns in any way at all will be immediately stripped of elected office and jailed for no less than 20 years or, if not an elected official, then just the jail would be fine with me. However, since the point of registration is confiscation, I ain't buying. However, they can register my bullets if they'd like - I'll even send them in via "air mail."
     
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    who says she wouldnt appreciate getting flowers from a cantankerous old coot?
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    So much misinformation, so little time...
    Looks like another idiot who can't wrap its brain around "well-regulated" having a different meaning 200 years ago. :rolleyes:
     
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