Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by wiscoaster, Nov 19, 2021.
I think the WC's are anemic enough, and loading the HBWC's backward only makes them less effective, not more.
and it was dismaying to see the lack of expansion and penetration depth from expanding bullets in a 38 Special snubbie.
the revolver guy ran his own 148 wadcutter tests
and one more
Given that expansion is very uncertain with the bullets used in 38 Special snubbies, I am more of the opinion just run whatever shoots to point of aim. I would not use target loads for a self defense pistol, the classic 148 with 2.7 grains Bullseye went 606 and 611 fps in two of my snubbies. I don't feel comfortable with something that light, and that slow. You can't bump up the classic hollow base wad cutter without blowing the skirt, but you could with the solid base. And I have no problems loading 158 grain LSWC's at 686 fps out of a snubbie.
That my friend was a very well written and intelligent post. There are some rounds that do well out of 1 7/8 barrels, not many however. I have shot many thousands of rounds of the Speer 135 Short Barrel out of my 640. After the first round of qualification 50 it was not a whole lot of fun especially in the cold months. All that aside, in the very light (lite) J frames a standard pressure round is what most can handle. I would love for someone to offer a standard pressure 158 SWC not hollow point because it is the one round that is better than RNL or anything offered with a hollow point that is only posing as a serious round.
Side note: if one could find a commercially loaded 148 Grain Wadcutter at 750 plus it would be better than a 158 RNL. Good luck with that however and I am not a big fan of reloads for carry. I just feel it’s inviting trouble, nothing against those that do.
Are you particularly sensitive to recoil,
especially in a LW revolver? If no,
forget the target wadcutter.
Also, a shoulder holster seems like
an awful lot of extra "rigging" for
a small LW gun; might even weigh
as much or more than the gun.
No, I'm thinking a light-load wad-cutter might produce results more like a hollow point than a FMJ bullet. And ... I have a bunch of it, but I don't have any CD .38 Spec ammo (is it even made?)
Ya, probably, but I don't like carrying stuff in my pants pockets. EG, this little thingy is what I carry in my pocket as the "keys" to my car:
Magtech and Privi Partisan both offer standard velocity 158 LSWCs if you can find them.
Internet accessible gun pundits seem to think well of it. Their reasoning seems sound, but what do I know.
The existence of
"Buffalo Bore Ammunition 44 Special 200 Grain Hard Cast Lead Wadcutter Anti-Personnel Box of 20"
, at $2.65 a round, has got me into looking into handloading .44 Special wadcutters.
Buffalo Bore also makes a 150 grain wadcutter in 38 special that's a self defense load. No worries about whether it will expand or not because it isn't expected to expand.
Be careful shooting in in an airweight though... I tried it, once, and five rounds was quite enough.
In a regular k frame with a four inch barrel it's quite manageable. Also expensive.
I have a 4” Model 64 and fired several plated DEWC over 2.8 gr Bullseye at paper targets attached to some conveyor belt material. I was surprised to see that the bullets bounced off the belt and didn’t penetrate it at all. No other handgun load I’ve ever fired has bounced off, even .22 LR will penetrate the rubberized material. This was an eye opener, a sternum or humorous bone probably would limit, or maybe even stop, a powder puff velocity slug.
If I was packing a J frame .38 with DEWC in the cylinder, my second set of rounds in a speed loader or strip would be a JHP like critical defense or HST so reloading it would be easier than trying to reload with wadcutters.
I’ve loaded the 148 grn HBWC backward(loaded hot 3.9grn CFE pistol) and tested it.
It made an impressive hole, but only penetrating 8.5”.
While not FBI standard, the ballistics gel I made showed that there wasn’t a huge difference between the .38spl HBWC and a .22WCF as far as wound channeling.
I found that the HBWC loaded the correct way didn’t have quite the expansion but penetrated 12” to 13.5”
I don't prefer to carry 32 magnum or 38 special revolvers if they're not loaded with hollowpoints.
Just curious why just hollow points?
I ask because I just picked up a CA Undercoverette in .32 Mag.
There is no science behind my "reasoning".
My primitive brain: "Little revolver bullet need hollowpoint."
My wife has an Undercoverette for the couple of days a year that I might be out of town. It's been accurate and reliable. Hopefully yours will serve you well.
Charter Arms 32 Magnum by Tallball posted Feb 12, 2018 at 10:17 PM
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