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wait time update (hint, it's now 10 months)

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by greyling22, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. AlexanderA
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    There are lots of things like that, that could be done to streamline the process. But I'm beginning to think that the delay is a feature, not a bug. The idea is that as the word of the long delays gets around, fewer people will apply in the first place. Voila, a self-correcting problem!
     
  2. Walkalong

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    I'm 62, so if I get off my butt and start the process, I hope I make it. :)
     
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  3. greyling22

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    Well, I was finally approved July 11. Of course, I'm still waiting on the actual delivery of said stamp. I'm starting to think it's being sent by wagaon train from Atlanta.......

    In case you were keeping count,
    form 3 started in March 1 2018,
    form 4 August 1, 2018
    Approved July 11 2019
    Stamp in hand........?
    Ridiculous.
     
  4. Hoser

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    Your money ahead here.

    Most form 4s are taking 51-53 weeks to get approved for us lately.

    My M-16 took almost 2 years door to door...

    The NFA Branch is not there to streamline the process, only to accommodate it.
     
  5. joseywales76

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    If they weren't so busy selling guns to Mexico...... Maybe they could speed this up some....
     
  6. waterhouse

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    Just got a F4 individual back, 51 weeks.
     
  7. Mike M.

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    Just got a Form 4 (individual) back...11 months almost to the day.

    What bugs me is that it was the second Form 4 this year, the fourth in the last five years. I can understand running a first-time NFA buyer through the whole mill, but repeat buyers can reasonably be cleared on a NICS check. Which would defuse the whole legal ticking time bomb...I'm convinced a solid 5th Amendment "Takings" case could be made against the current implementation of NFA'34. When people buying MGs have tens of thousands of dollars tied up for a year, it's a serious problem.
     
  8. AlexanderA
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    That's an interesting concept, and one that's not entirely without merit. But a "taking" would apply more to current owners trying to sell, than to prospective owners trying to buy. If you own something and can't sell it, either because it has become legally nontransferable, or practically nontransferable due to intentional bureaucratic delays, it has become worthless. This diminution in the fair market value is the measure of the "taking."
     
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  9. SharpDog

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    I would guess you're having a problem because you left the blanks in the form :evil:

    Just teasing, good luck and God speed
     
  10. Mike M.

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    The way I see the 5th Amendment case, it applies to both buyers and sellers.

    Someone buying an NFA item, especially an MG, has got thousands (and usually tens of thousands) of dollars tied up in a gun that is in a legal Limbo. The buyer does not have his money...but does not have the gun, either. And the $13K for an Uzi could make a pretty penny invested in the stock market.

    Equally, a seller loses value. A widow trying to sell her husband's NFA items to pay medical bills can either try to sell for full value and get paid in a year's time when the Form 4 clears, or sell to a dealer for half price.

    Either way, it's wrong.
     
  11. AlexanderA
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    In this market, normally sellers want full payment up front, before submitting the paperwork to the ATF. That leaves the whole transaction up in the air for up to a year, until approval is received. A host of things can go wrong in that time, with one or both parties left holding the bag. No other market, that I know of, works this way. This is simply not viable.
     
  12. FL-NC

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    Whatever the gov't's "mitigating circumstances' are, it's ridiculous that in 2019 it takes a year or more for someone to have permission to take possession of their property (for which they have already purchased, and for which tax monies have already been collected) due to "background checks", when agencies like NICS or FDLE (in Fl) can perform a background check on a law abiding individual to purchase a firearm in minutes. Especially when the individual being investigated, who already holds NFA tax stamps for other items previously acquired, is "known" to the ATF due to previously acquired stamps. In that sense, I think that approval for the first stamp could/should be a "vetting process", and a simple NICS check against a correctly submitted packet should result in a timely approval for subsequent applications.
     
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  13. greyling22

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    there you go applying logic to the government........ In other news, after a full year, almost to the day, of submitting my form 4 the stamp has finally arrived at my dealer. Of course, now I'm working the next 2 nights so I cannot take possession until Wednesday, but still, I am no longer waiting on a federal agency! Time to start stamp #4 I suppose........
     
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  14. AlexanderA
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    I'm normally not a conspiracy nut, but I really think the processing delays are being done on purpose, in order to have a de facto prohibition on NFA items. In 1934, the $200 tax was what made the NFA a de facto prohibition. Today, because of inflation, that $200 tax is a minor consideration. So the processing delay has taken the role that the tax once played. A truly pro-gun Administration could cut through the red tape in no time. The fact that they haven't done so shows exactly where they stand.
     
  15. dogtown tom

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    Yet electronic Form 1's are being processed in as little as 30 days.
    That doesn't point to a conspiracy, but to a data entry/paper processing problem.
     
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  16. Walkalong

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    That's absolute baloney, nothing more than you taking another shot at the present administration.

    See Tom's post.
     
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    Finally approved after 338 days no stamp yet, maybe next week.
     
  18. Gtscotty

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    A lot of individuals with November and even December check cashed dates are starting to get their stamps, it looks like things are finally starting to speed up.

    Fingers crossed for my Dec 28 stamp, maybe I'll even get my May 23 before the end of the year.
     
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  19. Gtscotty

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    Approved!

    Called for status and was told that the individual F4 for my Obsidian .45 was approved.

    Pending : 12/28/2018
    Approved: 09/04/2019
    Received: ?
     
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  20. taliv

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    I’m thinking about buying some stuff. Been a long time since I got a new stamp. And I kinda regret selling my m60 and registered AR lower.

    Are you guys saying that a form 1 like making a Sbr is only taking 30 days??
     
  21. Gtscotty

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    Those would be about the coolest MGs to own, a registered AR lower would give you so many options today.

    E-filed Form 1s are getting returned in a month or less for the most part. I don't think anyone is doing paper F1s anymore (for obvious reasons), but the last few wait times I saw reported were similar to paper F4s.
     
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  22. taliv

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    Guess I need to register a few
     
  23. mayorgonzo

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    I just got my Form 1 SBR stamp today. Application signed and mailed 3/8/19 and approved 9/10/19. Way sooner than I was expecting!!!!
     
  24. dogtown tom

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    Mailed a paper Form 1? Why?
    Eform 1's are getting approved in six weeks.
     
  25. mayorgonzo

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    Because I'm new and have plenty of time to wait. Maybe next time I'll try the efile.
     
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