awilson0407
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Hear hear!!! JOAB determines just what "adds to the discussion".
Wal-Mart guns
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Hear hear!!! JOAB determines just what "adds to the discussion".
woof
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I have no problem with WalMart and I refuse to believe (Until I'm proven wrong) that any gun bought there is any different from the same gun bought elsewhere. If there are any differences at all it would be in packaging or maybe the absence of some little accessory. Any gun shop owner who says he can tell the difference should be put to the test with a controlled experiment.
marksman13
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I was told yesterday by a WM associate that some of the guns that they carry are made with cheaper stocks and cheaper finishes than normal. He told me that the guns they normally keep in stock are these cheaper guns, but that any gun that is special ordered is the same quality as anything else put out by the company.
That said, I have two guns that are of this supposed cheaper quality and I can't tell that either is any different than their gun store counterparts. My Remington Model 700 .243 routinely shoots MOA groups if I do my part and the Savage MK II doesn't seem to be any cheaper than any other Savage I have seen.
I'm not saying the guy is right or wrong, so don't flame me. I'm just teling you guys what I was told. I will continue to buy guns from Wal Mart as long as the price is right. I do most of my business with the local guy, but when WM puts guns on clearance, he knows where my money is going.
That said, I have two guns that are of this supposed cheaper quality and I can't tell that either is any different than their gun store counterparts. My Remington Model 700 .243 routinely shoots MOA groups if I do my part and the Savage MK II doesn't seem to be any cheaper than any other Savage I have seen.
I'm not saying the guy is right or wrong, so don't flame me. I'm just teling you guys what I was told. I will continue to buy guns from Wal Mart as long as the price is right. I do most of my business with the local guy, but when WM puts guns on clearance, he knows where my money is going.
CajunBass
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Gota love these threads from the dead.
So Wal-Mart puts pressure on their suppliers to sell at a lower cost. So what? Doesn't everybody?
There are two gas stations on my way to work. They are right across the street from each other. Which one I buy gas from depends on which one has the lowest price.
Anybody I buy something from is my "supplier." I put "pressure" on them every day to keep their prices low, because there is always someplace else I can go.
So Wal-Mart puts pressure on their suppliers to sell at a lower cost. So what? Doesn't everybody?
There are two gas stations on my way to work. They are right across the street from each other. Which one I buy gas from depends on which one has the lowest price.
Anybody I buy something from is my "supplier." I put "pressure" on them every day to keep their prices low, because there is always someplace else I can go.
jpwilly
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There's a rule regarding purchases that applies whether you shop at WM (or anywhere else) and every consumer would do well to remember it: "Buyer Beware"! It's our job as the consumer to be responcible for makeing sure we get what we pay for. If you don't like to policies or products at a certain store you don't have to shop there do you!
I've seen the same electronic hearing protection sold at Harbor Freight on sale for $15 bucks repackaged and sold elsewhere for much more. I can remember one being Caldwell for $49. Same for the 6" digital calipers I use when reloading. Got them on sale at Harbor Freight for $15 sold at Cabelas, Midway USA for anywhere from $30 to $50 dollars. I purchased a $49 holographic site at Cabelas sold under the store brand Pine Ridge and later found the Famous Maker, Baraska, and others also offered this same unit. It broke after 50 rnds thru my AR and I exchanged it for a TruGlo that works great. Wal-Mart can be your best friend you vote with every dollar you spend. Dumb shoppers will ruin America not discount stores!
I've seen the same electronic hearing protection sold at Harbor Freight on sale for $15 bucks repackaged and sold elsewhere for much more. I can remember one being Caldwell for $49. Same for the 6" digital calipers I use when reloading. Got them on sale at Harbor Freight for $15 sold at Cabelas, Midway USA for anywhere from $30 to $50 dollars. I purchased a $49 holographic site at Cabelas sold under the store brand Pine Ridge and later found the Famous Maker, Baraska, and others also offered this same unit. It broke after 50 rnds thru my AR and I exchanged it for a TruGlo that works great. Wal-Mart can be your best friend you vote with every dollar you spend. Dumb shoppers will ruin America not discount stores!
[email protected]
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Here read some of this if you still think Wal-Mart is on the side of us Americans.
http://wakeupwalmart.com/facts/
http://wakeupwalmart.com/facts/
joab
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Couldn't get past the first strawman before finding a glaring misinformational sounds good if you say fast it "fact"
If the dems had had their way and were able to get the minimum wage raised it still would not have been as high as Wally's lowest paid employee
If those employees don't want to work for those wages they are free to upgrade their marketability
Are all of their employees single parents?
And on and on
For this to mean anything the average Walmart employee would have to be the sole provider for a family of three. Did anybody do that research?
And minimum wage is what?
If the dems had had their way and were able to get the minimum wage raised it still would not have been as high as Wally's lowest paid employee
If those employees don't want to work for those wages they are free to upgrade their marketability
So is Walmart responsible for their employees poor life decisions now?
Are all of their employees single parents?
And on and on
joab
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Anyone have a clue what convenience stores pay?
How about Jiffy lubes and tire stores or McDonalds
Why is it that nobody is demonizing 7-11, or fast food joints for paying their lesser employees lesser wages?
How about Jiffy lubes and tire stores or McDonalds
Why is it that nobody is demonizing 7-11, or fast food joints for paying their lesser employees lesser wages?
Tomcat47
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A Challenge To The Walmart Fanatics.
I challenge all the Walmart lovers to do one thing for a month straight, and dont cheat....you really have to try!
BUY AMERICAN, SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE, PAY ATTENTION!
chieftan to answer you....I really could care less about a few dollars extra at my local gun shop....I like the friendship.....and walmart has not called me yet and told me ....hey we just got a mint condition Marlin 39, or Cot Gold Cup in on trade...this is what I appreciate...loyalty. not interested in greed.
joab to answer you regarding schrades buyout....do I think they would have closed if they had not gotten a few million items sent back to them...the answer is NO they would not have closed......and as far as the buyout
I would not trade the broken handle off my old timer (that was made in America ) for a boat load of that crap that Taylor ships in from china.
The bottom line is Loyalty....yeah free markets are well understood, but you also expect your customer to keep what they agree to buy! Instead we have become a group of greedy people that allows any terms, any conditions, anything, anyway to make the sell, but when it comes back and bites us in the butt, we become the sellouts that we were to begin with.:banghead:
And then here those people go raising heck on TV , how bad the company they worked for or there brother worked for was when it closes, not because of anything but we americans did not support them, but that reason never comes up.......its lost in shuffle of excuses for failure.
WE CAN NOT BE A NATION THAT JUST BUYS STUFF.....WE NEED TO MAKE SOMETHING!:banghead:
Ford Mustang....30% American Made
Toyota Sienna .....90% Amerian made....even Toyota knows how to butter there bread in America......
The challenge above is not just a smartass gesture...really try and think...just for four weeks.....I am not so much against W.W. as you think....
WE just need to be the manufacturers that are Mostly or Partly even .....filling the shelves...
And for the most part you can grocery shop at least 10% cheaper at a grocery store...the bulk buy is a farce that you think you got more for your buck. Try that one too.
AND I DO SHOP WALLY WORLD....JUST WATCH WHAT I BUY.
And for the subject matter.... You can order about any gun manufactured in the world through Walmart...they are licensed to sell firearms and order from relatively the same suppliers as the gun shops do. I got a Smith & Wesson .300 Magnum from Wally a long time ago...(made in Japan)....but it was a very beautiful high end firearm that shot terriffic.....made a good elk gun for the midwest.....but the muzzle brake at dusk was a education.....didnt know if I got the elk for about 30 minutes.....thought I was welding for a minute or two
Any way peace to all.........
I challenge all the Walmart lovers to do one thing for a month straight, and dont cheat....you really have to try!
BUY AMERICAN, SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE, PAY ATTENTION!
chieftan to answer you....I really could care less about a few dollars extra at my local gun shop....I like the friendship.....and walmart has not called me yet and told me ....hey we just got a mint condition Marlin 39, or Cot Gold Cup in on trade...this is what I appreciate...loyalty. not interested in greed.
joab to answer you regarding schrades buyout....do I think they would have closed if they had not gotten a few million items sent back to them...the answer is NO they would not have closed......and as far as the buyout
I would not trade the broken handle off my old timer (that was made in America ) for a boat load of that crap that Taylor ships in from china.
The bottom line is Loyalty....yeah free markets are well understood, but you also expect your customer to keep what they agree to buy! Instead we have become a group of greedy people that allows any terms, any conditions, anything, anyway to make the sell, but when it comes back and bites us in the butt, we become the sellouts that we were to begin with.:banghead:
And then here those people go raising heck on TV , how bad the company they worked for or there brother worked for was when it closes, not because of anything but we americans did not support them, but that reason never comes up.......its lost in shuffle of excuses for failure.
WE CAN NOT BE A NATION THAT JUST BUYS STUFF.....WE NEED TO MAKE SOMETHING!:banghead:
Ford Mustang....30% American Made
Toyota Sienna .....90% Amerian made....even Toyota knows how to butter there bread in America......
The challenge above is not just a smartass gesture...really try and think...just for four weeks.....I am not so much against W.W. as you think....
WE just need to be the manufacturers that are Mostly or Partly even .....filling the shelves...
And for the most part you can grocery shop at least 10% cheaper at a grocery store...the bulk buy is a farce that you think you got more for your buck. Try that one too.
AND I DO SHOP WALLY WORLD....JUST WATCH WHAT I BUY.
And for the subject matter.... You can order about any gun manufactured in the world through Walmart...they are licensed to sell firearms and order from relatively the same suppliers as the gun shops do. I got a Smith & Wesson .300 Magnum from Wally a long time ago...(made in Japan)....but it was a very beautiful high end firearm that shot terriffic.....made a good elk gun for the midwest.....but the muzzle brake at dusk was a education.....didnt know if I got the elk for about 30 minutes.....thought I was welding for a minute or two
Any way peace to all.........
joab
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First thing that is not what I asked
I asked if Schrade woud have closed earlier if the Walmart account didn't prop them up
Second I agree that's why i bought up all the US made Schrades I could find
Pity we didn't support them that well when it would have mattered
But Taylor is doing well, why is that?
Buck also seems to be doing well despite their association with Walmart
And most importantly
You lose credibility when you start with the "Walmart Lovers" crap
Not demonizing an organization and then making stuff up to support that position is not love for the organization but more respect for the system that put them on top, it's capitalism pure and simple
We cant cry foul now just because the Chinese have learned to play the game as well as we
chieftain
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When ever someone questions "loyalty" I begin to pucker. I am loyal to my flag, my God, my family, and myself.
In business matters and buying products, I consider myself before any retailer, manufacturer, or wholesaler.
Every one else must earn my loyalty and work to keep it.
I go to Wally World about 3 times a month. Mostly groceries. And ammunition. Interestingly enough none of it is made in/grown in China.
I don't love Wally World, I just don't hate them. I enjoy their prices on products that they carry at a better price. Dairy products, Bread, etc.....
They don't carry everything I want. I go to other stores. I do what I believe is in my own self interest.
With that said, whenever I visit a Gun Store I will always buy something. Even if it's just patches and a cleaning brush. Why, I support my local shops too. Most of the local shops don't try to compete with Wally, and carry many other types and brands of weapons.
Of my present collection of about 125 weapons, I have purchased, two from Wally World. And if they had what I wanted at a good price, I would do it again.
Once again, Wally ain't perfect, like all those small business folks who apparently are. They just take less of the working mans money. For some reason that seems to incense a lot of folks. Mostly small business folks, Pro union folks, Dimocrats, socialists, Hippies, and most other folks that seem to hate or at least dislike either success, or big successful enterprises. Or don't think Wally is paying their particular cause enough money.
Sort of sounds like politics, don't it?
Go figure.
Fred
In business matters and buying products, I consider myself before any retailer, manufacturer, or wholesaler.
Every one else must earn my loyalty and work to keep it.
I go to Wally World about 3 times a month. Mostly groceries. And ammunition. Interestingly enough none of it is made in/grown in China.
I don't love Wally World, I just don't hate them. I enjoy their prices on products that they carry at a better price. Dairy products, Bread, etc.....
They don't carry everything I want. I go to other stores. I do what I believe is in my own self interest.
With that said, whenever I visit a Gun Store I will always buy something. Even if it's just patches and a cleaning brush. Why, I support my local shops too. Most of the local shops don't try to compete with Wally, and carry many other types and brands of weapons.
Of my present collection of about 125 weapons, I have purchased, two from Wally World. And if they had what I wanted at a good price, I would do it again.
Once again, Wally ain't perfect, like all those small business folks who apparently are. They just take less of the working mans money. For some reason that seems to incense a lot of folks. Mostly small business folks, Pro union folks, Dimocrats, socialists, Hippies, and most other folks that seem to hate or at least dislike either success, or big successful enterprises. Or don't think Wally is paying their particular cause enough money.
Sort of sounds like politics, don't it?
Go figure.
Fred
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Looks like we've kinda gotten off the gun topic, haven't we?
I often wondered about this with wal-mart guns. I suppose in some instances it's hard to be sure. Saying "I don't know, but I'd rather be on the safe side", or "I don't know, but I'll take my chances" should be resonable responses.
Also, I noticed the other day, on the ruger company's pages about the 10/22, that there are, in fact, certain models of that gun that are sold only at wal-mart. So there are verifiable differences, at least for that gun. Is the less expensive model at wal-mart of lower quality? maybe or maybe not, but you usually get what you pay for.
I often wondered about this with wal-mart guns. I suppose in some instances it's hard to be sure. Saying "I don't know, but I'd rather be on the safe side", or "I don't know, but I'll take my chances" should be resonable responses.
Also, I noticed the other day, on the ruger company's pages about the 10/22, that there are, in fact, certain models of that gun that are sold only at wal-mart. So there are verifiable differences, at least for that gun. Is the less expensive model at wal-mart of lower quality? maybe or maybe not, but you usually get what you pay for.
joab
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Actually no we haven't
Because the whole crux of the WalMart has inferior guns thing is a base uncompromising hatred of WalMart and has very little to do with the guns themselves
Yes WalMart had it's owen version of the 10/22 made,the Deluxe Sproter with a longer barrel . No one has ever accused it of being a factory second and many consider it to be a better gun
They also had one awhile back with a green wood stock
Marketing execs are fully aware of this American mentality and make good use of it.
That's why Glocks cost more than Hi Points
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I am one that doesn't find it hard NOT to shop at Wal-Mart. I find it quite hard to shop there. I have only gone there maybe twice in the past year and both times, I wish I hadn't. I bought a TV there and later found it cheaper at an electronics store.
I am not impressed with anything having to do with Wal-Mart and that is not because I have a grudge against them. I don't like the people that tend to inhabit WM. Notice I didn't say "shop" there because I don't see much shopping going on, I see mostly people who don't know where they are and what they are doing just sort of miliing around. I go shopping to buy things and when there are half a million retards surrounding me, I get ants in my pants. I can't get out of WM fast enough.
Even if they had the best prices, which they don't, I still wouldn't shop there much. Every time I go there, I feel like I am some sort of day care. Why are there so many freaking kids at WM? Puts your brats on a leash or better yet, leave them at home. They don't need to be there and neither do most people that shop there. I think people are bored so they hang out at WM.
It is no hardship for me to avoid a plce like WM. Add to this the fact that they are anti-American while waving the flag and my vomit meter is pegged.
If WM, E-bay and Pal-Pal are went bankrupt, I would laugh my ass off. I hate them all and want them gone from the face of the earth.
WM doesn't sell guns anymore and soon they won't sell ammo, good. That takes the one reason I would ever shop there away. Now I won't ever have to step foot in that retard's daycare again. My self repect can only go up for not shopping there.
I am not impressed with anything having to do with Wal-Mart and that is not because I have a grudge against them. I don't like the people that tend to inhabit WM. Notice I didn't say "shop" there because I don't see much shopping going on, I see mostly people who don't know where they are and what they are doing just sort of miliing around. I go shopping to buy things and when there are half a million retards surrounding me, I get ants in my pants. I can't get out of WM fast enough.
Even if they had the best prices, which they don't, I still wouldn't shop there much. Every time I go there, I feel like I am some sort of day care. Why are there so many freaking kids at WM? Puts your brats on a leash or better yet, leave them at home. They don't need to be there and neither do most people that shop there. I think people are bored so they hang out at WM.
It is no hardship for me to avoid a plce like WM. Add to this the fact that they are anti-American while waving the flag and my vomit meter is pegged.
If WM, E-bay and Pal-Pal are went bankrupt, I would laugh my ass off. I hate them all and want them gone from the face of the earth.
WM doesn't sell guns anymore and soon they won't sell ammo, good. That takes the one reason I would ever shop there away. Now I won't ever have to step foot in that retard's daycare again. My self repect can only go up for not shopping there.
Johnny Guest
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This dead horse has been sufficiently flogged.
There's a lot of thread veer, from gun quallity toward Wal Mart hatred. Justified or not, this IS off topic.
Also, certain partiicpants have taken to sniping at one another a LOT more than is High Road-worthy. A word to the wise . .
Anyhow, this one is CLOSED.
Johnny
There's a lot of thread veer, from gun quallity toward Wal Mart hatred. Justified or not, this IS off topic.
Also, certain partiicpants have taken to sniping at one another a LOT more than is High Road-worthy. A word to the wise . .
Anyhow, this one is CLOSED.
Johnny
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