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Walker accuracy

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Cowboy2, Mar 15, 2011.

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  1. Cowboy2

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    What size groups should I be expecting from this gun? I'm not going to break the bank trying to dial it in with the perfect load, but I don't want to sell her short, either.
     
  2. Oyeboten

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    1 inch Groups at 25 Yards...
     
  3. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

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    With a barrel that long I would be thinking more like a inch at 50 yds.
     
  4. Cowboy2

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    Dang. Any of you using Triple Seven? What loads?
     
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  6. 72coupe

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    The guy in the video is an idiot. Wrapping your hand around the front of the cylinder is just asking for a trip to the hospital.
     
  7. madcratebuilder

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    Most guns shot a smaller group than the gun owner is capable of. Are you shooting free hand, from a rest or bags? If you are getting 5+moa you are doing OK, no. make that great!
     
  8. Cowboy2

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    This weekend, shooting from a crude rest at about 20yds, I was getting fist-sized groups. I've never been a great pistol shot, so I'm more than willing to say at least an inch of that is me.
     
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    How much powder are you using? And how much would you tell someone that is new to the walker to start with? When I got mine home, and looked in the info book, it had something like 25grs black powder listed. I'm like, what the hack, in this pistol. I got info from another place, that called on 40 to 55grs, with most people getting good groups in the 45 to 55gr loads. I know it will hold 60grs, but why put it through that, and have to buy new parts in no time. Most guns have a load that they like, that another of the same make may not. With my S&Ws 41 and 44mags, you could dry fire those a little, thin with ear plugs in you could see groups improve, but can't dry fire these pistols.
     
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  10. GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

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    I'vd carried and used a Uberti 1847 Walker for a mighty long time. Laying here beside of me right now loaded all the way around. I use Triple Seven 3fff, .457 swaged round lead balls and #11 Remington percussion caps. If you're using TS3fff you can start out at anywhere from 35 to 40 grains until you get the feel for it. I use 48 to 50 grains....Now read this CAREFULLY and take time to do some thinking on it. It take's a long time to really learn how to use and handle a Walker... A long time....IF your Walker is properly tuned up and properly loaded and you have practiced and worked with it for a good year maybe 2, and 50 yards consistent accurate range is all you're getting out of that 9 inch pipe then you either better go get your eyes checked or throw the gun away and buy another one. I'm here to tell you plain out. I worked HARD with that gun for 2 years or better before I was willing to tell myself I knew how to shoot it. I'll tell you one more thing to. That Walker, properly loaded and properly tuned in the hands of someone who know's how to use it; well, let's put it this way. That sonofab**** will carry the mail and it will carry it a lot further than 50 yards, believe me....
     
  11. 72coupe

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    Gentleman of the Charcoal is right. In 1968 I was on orders to go to Vietnam and I decided I needed to learn point shooting. I had a very nice cased 1860 army replica and an almost new 2nd model Dragoon.

    I stood in my father in laws field and shot at a plow disk set up at 25 yards using both hands. After 30 days of shooting only stopping for darkness I was able to hit the disk with either pistol in either hand almost 100% of the time.

    With the Dragoon I could hit very near the post in the center of the section from the Southwest corner of the section. I could hit it occasionally but not what I would call regularly. This was of course using Kentucky windage/elevation.
     
  12. Texas Moon

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    I have the Uberti Walker.
    This one shoots best groups with 47-48gr loads of FFg, lubed wad, and round ball.
    It will do 1-2inch groups all day at 30yds with my bad eyeballs.
     
  13. Cowboy2

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    I've been using the 45 to 48gr range of Triple 7. I guess I just need to practice more.
     
  14. Slamfire

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    I have a Colt Signiture Series 3rd Model Dragoon.

    With Ox-Yoke wads, which did a great job of keeping the bore clean, I was amazed at the small group diameter I received.

    The greatest problem was the sights were regulated to shoot something like two feet high at 25 yards.

    With proper sights and a clean bore, I am confident that a cap and ball revolver is not inferior in accuracy to a smokeless.
     
  15. GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

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    Cowboy, just don't give up. Just keep shooting when you can and keep working at it and then all of a sudden; there it is. You'll be happy, believe me. Might not ever do you any good but you'll be happy. Remember, like SlamFire1 posted just above about his 3rd Model your Walker will shoot high. Don't worry about that. You'll learn to compensate for that automatically without even thinking about it. It'll be drilled into you so well you'll do it on reflex..Have Fun and put some meat on the table....
     
  16. Cowboy2

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    I love the gun, so there's no chance I'll quit on her. Oddly enough, it shot really high when I first got it (they're set for 75yds if I recall), but something changed, maybe the charge (I have no idea), but its only doing about 2" high at 15-20 yds now.
     
  17. Cowboy2

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    Took the Walker back out, much, much, better results. Dropping them on top of one another at 15yds. I guess I just needed to focus a bit more.

    On a different note, its still only shooting about 1.5" high at that range (which is fine, I prefer it that way), but don't they usually shoot much higher? I swear this thing was firing 6" high at that range when I got it last year. I'm not new to shooting, I'm using the same sight picture. I thought maybe it was an odd batch of powder or something, but the chrono average said 1021fps, which sounds about right. It just seems odd.
     
  18. GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

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    May be just you Cowboy, holding a little lower because you know it's a little high..Using Triple Seven 3fff? How much? .457's?....
     
  19. Cowboy2

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    Same sight picture, 6 o'clock hold on a 2" bullseye. 45gr Triple 7, FFFg, .454 round balls. Its odd, but I'm not complaining.
     
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    It's entirely possible your grip has changed from what it was a year ago when the gun was new. A heavy gun like the Walker can easily change your grip and thus completely skew your muscle memory, which will result in a whole different orientation when you squeeze the trigger. That has nothing to do with the sight picture. Perhaps now that the gun's heft is a little more familiar you're doing a better job of holding still when the trigger breaks.
     
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    Not a bad group.
     
  23. GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

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    Cowboy, let me ask you something else here if you don't mind. The reason I'm asking is because I alway's take a special interest in the Walker especially if it is a decent and courteous person as you seem to be who is really trying. I know (I think as well as anyone walking this earth today) how hard that piece is to master and how much damage that thing will do, and do way on out there to. If I had spent those years pursuing some other things as hard as I worked with that Walker I might be a millionaire today...Now, you mentioned to us that you were using .454 balls. I own 3 Walkers (Uberti) and know several other people who own them (none of them frequent THR at all) and all of ours use .457. Never heard of one that used .454 as standard food. (not saying they don't exist). Are you shaving a pretty good ring of lead when you seat the ball? Just curious here....Mr. MyKeal was correct in what he passed on to you. (He usually alway's is)..He know's how to word things better than I do..It come's down to the same thing. Your brain and your gunhand will automatically adjust to the heft and size and power when it settles into your hand after you have worked with it awhile....I would like to know about the .454 if you don't mind. I'vd never even touched a .454 ball in my life and never will. I use .457's, .451's, .323's and .22's..I have an 1860 put away here but I won't ever shoot it so I don't know if it would handle .454's good or not....
     
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    Mykeal, I was shooting off a rest, so it probably shouldn't have been an issue. But since I was just banging away and having fun when I first got it, sometimes off a rest, sometimes not, I'm not going to say it wasn't an issue then.
    Here's my theory. I played around with how much I was compressing the powder last time, and did get a set of high shots. Until recently, I'd been somewhat worried about not getting the ball in far enough. As it was, I now realize, I was compressing the powder a good bit. (I know, a no-no with Triple 7). I varied compression this time around, and while it all makes a kind of sense in retrospect, I was looking at it more in terms of function (recoil, behavior) than what the shots were doing. I should have paid more attention. Looking back, it seems that when I really stuck the ball in there, it shot to the point of aim. When I realized I was being kind of silly and didn't need to press it so far in, I just snugged it up to the powder and it shot to point of aim. That's when I chrono'ed it, and accuracy was so good, that's what I stuck with for the rest of the day. But like I said, I did get one set of high shots there in the middle, and I'm pretty sure that's when those high shots occurred. Given that Triple 7 is reputed to act funny under compression, I'm now thinking that was the difference. I'm embarrassed to say it didn't occur to me at the time. I guess stupid can strike at any time. My money says that was what was happening when I first got the gun.

    Gentleman of the Charcoal, I don't mind at all. I get roughly the same sized lead ring using .454s in the Uberti as I do using .451s in my Pietta .44 Navy. I might have to work to get a .454 in the Navy, but you could almost drop a .451 into the Walker. To my eyes, they look adequate (good, round ring), and judging by the chronograph results (1021fps average), I'm pretty certain there is no gas escaping. But its funny you mention it, as I was thinking of trying one size up.

    I appreciate everyone's help. I've played around with BP guns off and on for years and always enjoyed it, but the awful clean up kept me from doing it as much as I would have liked. No one had ever told me that oil and blackpowder are a terrible combination. Once the internet wised me up to that, things got a lot more enjoyable. Triple 7 has been a Godsend, so I'm getting into it a lot more. Chucking cleaning brushes into a cordless drill, and an electric toothbrush, to clean out the cylinder and parts helps, too. The flush-out tube from Dixie makes cleaning my Hawken so much easier, I take it out all the time now.
     
  25. GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

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    Okay, was just curious. Never heard of a Walker using a .454 'til yours and I was wondering about the gas escaping. I watched an Indian friend of mine knock
    down an Antelope on my property this morning with his Walker at about 55 yards. Damned near knocked that critter clean off all 4 feet when that .457 slammed into him. (set there with my coffee and smokes and watched him do all of the cleaning and dressing to!)..He make's his own powder and it is STRONG.... Okay, thanks for coming up. Was just curious and didn't want you to get hurt with chainfires and whatnot caused by escaping gas but at the same time didn't want you to think I'm some kind of smart ass know it all..Glad it's working out for you sir....
     
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