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Walther P22 Slide Failure W/Pics.....

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Slvr Surfr, Nov 23, 2007.

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  1. Slvr Surfr

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    Tonight I went to the range. I've had my Walther for about 2 years now. I bought it used. I have put less than 500rds through it. I primarily use it for a range gun. I like to practice the basic fundamentals with it.
    Tonight I was on my 6th magazine when the slide came off the back of the gun and smacked me in the cheek. I couldn't quite figure out what had happened until I noticed the slide on the ground. I then looked at the gun and noticed a small portion of the front of the slide was still on the gun.

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    Just in case anyone asks, I wasn't shooting any hot .22 ammo. I was a cheapo brick of Winchester .22 range ammo.

    I tried a brief search of the Walther, and SW forums to see if anyone else had has had a failure similar to mine with their P22.
     
  2. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    check rimfirecentral
     
  3. steak-knife

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    :what:YIKES!!! Hope you're okay.

    I was actually going to get one of these, but my local dealer talked me out of it because he had more returns on these P22s than any other firearms sold from the shop, mostly because of FTF/FTE problems. He basically said they were made out of pot metal, and I didn't entirely believe him until now, after seeing your catastrophic slide failure.

    From what I've read through the threads, the SIG Misquito is also poorly built and problematic.
     
  4. trueblue1776

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    I seen pictures of that type of failure before, it sucks, but it's pretty rare from what I understand.
     
  5. doc2rn

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    Usually with catastrophic failure of this type informing the company will get you a new one on trade in. No one wants to have this known/seen about their product.
     
  6. Ed Ames

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    500rds in 2 years? :what:

    I've put 500 rounds through a Ruger MkII or Hi-standard HB in one *day*. OK, that was usually with more than one shooter sharing the gun but still I usually brought a 500+rd carton of .22LR any time I took it shooting and considered myself lucky if I had any left over at the end of the day. $10 well spent. We put at least 10,000 rounds through that MkII and never had a hiccup. It's still going strong by the way and very accurate.

    Anyway, I'm not too surprised about the failure (though I still can't get over the 500 rounds). That "big gun" slide is form over function. In order to make a full length slide light enough to cycle on a blowback .22 it must be a light thin metal. That's bad on something that slams around like a slide.
     
  7. Slvr Surfr

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    I am fairly positive that Smith and Wesson will take care of the gun. I got away with a small cut on my cheek, which I am grateful was not worse. I will contact SW on Monday to see what they can do for me. I am a fan of SW products, and this will in no way persuade me from buying anymore of their products. I am not intending by no means to bash Walther/SW in any way, only to see if anyone else has had similar issues.
     
  8. W.E.G.

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    Junk gun.

    They ought to just recall them all and be done with it.
     
  9. nwilliams

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    OMG that sucks!

    Glad you're not injured sounds like the company owes you a new gun and a sincere apology.

    I to have heard of this before, I used own that same model P22, never cared for it and now I'm even more glad I ditched it for something better.
     
  10. The Lone Haranguer

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    Makes me want to run out and buy one. :rolleyes:
     
  11. trueblue1776

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    because you've heard of a handful of failures in five years on the web? :rolleyes:
     
  12. firinginfenton

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    Thanks for the photos

    I'm happy to read that you are OK. And thank you for taking the time to upload the photos and the report.
    I think I'd take the replacement gun and trade it for a Ruger MIII.
     
  13. W.E.G.

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    I'll pass on the zinc model. Thank you very much.

    At least companies like Jennings don't masquerade behind the names of (formerly) respected gunmakers like Walther.
     
  14. jakeswensonmt

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    I've been saying for years that zinc guns have to be a bad idea, but this is the first time I've seen pix to backup that opinion!

    Thanks and glad you weren't hurt! Send a letter to Walther and tell them that they need to buy you a new Ruger or Buckmark or S&W 41 to make up for your pain.
     
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    The slide is zinc? I thought it was aluminum.
     
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    Reminds me of the all too common S&W 916A receiver failure.

    There's no excuse for this type of failure, IMHO.
     
  17. Slvr Surfr

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    Not to pump up my gun over the issues the OP had, but my Ruger MkII has shot a TON of rounds. My dad gave me a case of .22 ammo a couple of years ago, and I shot up half of it (with the help of friends and friends of friends) inside 6 months. It's no all gone, and I bet I have been through another 15 or so bricks of ammo since then.

    I am not necessarily saying "Buy a Ruger", but I am saying that a break at 500rounds is probably not the norm. Also, for what it's worth, my dad has one of these little Walthers, and he says that a long and dedicated break in period is needed before they really hit their stride. Somewhere around 750 rounds, his little P22 started working like a champ, and it has never looked back.
     
  19. Slvr Surfr

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    Folks, let me clear something up. I have personally only shot under 500rds through this gun. As I said in my first post I bought it used. I don't know how many rounds the original owner put through the gun before me. Either way the gun should not have failed as it did. I have found at least 3 other incidents of p22s failing as mine did. The average round count for the others was above 5K rounds. It appears as though Walther/SW is replacing the slides under warranty as they should. To my knowledge I am the only one that has had a slide actually separate while firing.

    I am hoping that they will replace the slide on mine as well.

    Here are links to the other slide breakages.

    http://nebraskanews.blogspot.com/2007/05/walther-p-22-broken-slide.html

    http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96595
     
  20. Soybomb

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    My understanding is umarex actually is in charge of the p22 and sell it under the walther brand. Its a shame because it doesn't do the walther brand any favors. That said this seems to happen to many of the cheap 22's out there today. I know I've seen several instances of the sig mosquito doing the same thing.
     
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    Wow that is amazing that the slide split like it did.

    I have owned a P22 for 4 years and have shot thousands of rounds through it. I have had many failures to lock the slide back on an empty magazine but I have not had a single FTF or FTE. Most of my shooting has been with a suppressor on my P22 so I don't know if that helped out or not. I know for certain that at one shoot myself and 3 friends fired 4 bricks of Wally World ammo through my P22 with attached suppressor without a hitch...not one FTF or FTE but a handful of failures to lock back.

    I would send your P22 back to S&W and have them take a look at it. Gun's should not fail like that.
     
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    I've seen another pic of a P22 that did the same, and I've also seen an early Mosquito with a can mounted(to a non factory threaded barrel) that also came apart in a similar fashion. Its my understanding that the can and the counterweights were mounted as such that the slide impacted them causing stress on the slide and the cracks.

    Was your slide hitting the counterweight?

    I have both the Mosquito(no can) and the P22(no counterweight), and at this point, well over 5000 rounds through the P22 and close to 4000 rounds through the Mosquito. So far, both guns have been flawless, other than the normal .22 ammo issues all .22's experience. I shoot mostly plain old Winchester Super X too.
     
  23. makarovnik

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    Looks like the hole for mounting the front sight was the culprit. I often wonder about holes in the slide as a possible weak spot. I've seen a few aluminum alloy slides break near the muzzle like that. Hopefully S&W will beef that area up some in the future. Glad you're okay!
     
  24. strat81

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    For the newbies:
    This is why you ALWAYS wear eye protection.

    Glad no one was seriously hurt.
     
  25. kermit315

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    Seems like that all of these slide breakages that I have seen or heard about seem to occur on the target models. wonder if the front of that slide is hammering on the back of the compensator and causing them to break in the same spot?

    glad my wifes hasnt done that, and hope it doesnt. I just have the standard model.
     
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