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Walther P99 frame crack

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Dudemeister, Oct 18, 2010.

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  1. Dudemeister

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    I was at the range this weekend shooting the P99. About 3 rounds into a clip, the gun fired and my hand stung like hell. It felt as if the blowback gases came out the ejection port instead of the barrel. I also noticed that the round did not eject completely.

    I removed the magazine, cycled the slide to remove the shell and inspected the gun which looked OK. After that I fired about 50-60 more rounds before calling it a day.

    When I was cleaning the gun later that day, I noticed what looked like a fine hairline crack on the inside of the frame. From the outside you can also see the crack. It's very small and the gun appeared to be OK afterward, but I'm wondering if the gun will be safe to shoot, or do I need to get the frame replaced.

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    Note: The crack line in the enlarged inset is exagerated/retouched just to show the actual length, it's not as apparently visible in reality.

    Thanks.
     
  2. bds
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    I would not shoot the pistol anymore and contact the manufacturer's customer service as soon as I can.
     
  3. PT1911

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    pretty sure I would not shoot that again... just sayin... call Walther and have it addressed.
     
  4. General Geoff

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    Sounds like you may have been the victim of a squib/stuck round in the barrel..
     
  5. smartshot

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    its been my experience that manufacturers will make good for their work, so call them directly as the customer and ship through the distributor if you have to, do not call the distributors because they have nothing invested in that manufacturer and who knows what they will talk about on the phone.
     
  6. Shipwreck

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    Yes, do not shoot it anymore.

    What brand of ammo were you shooting? Was it reloads?
     
  7. Dudemeister

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    Thanks for the feedback guys.

    "Sounds like you may have been the victim of a squib/stuck round in the barrel."

    What exactly is a "Squib" round?

    I was shooting brand new American Eagle which is made by Federal. The stuff is labeled 124 grain FMJ.
     
  8. Johngoboom

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    A squib load is an underpowered load that does not have enough energy to completely leave the barrel. This is not good as the next round doesn't have a clear path anymore. You probably would have noticed a squib load, as they will often have an off sound with very little recoil.
     
  9. mbogo

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    Call Walther at 1-800-372-6454 and explain the problem. If asked, you were shooting factory ammunition and provide them with the lot number from the box.

    They should send you a shipping tag with an RMA number for the handgun (you cannot send the ammunition in the same box; if they insist on you sending them the ammunition, they should send two shipping tags with the same RMA #).

    Follow their instructions precisely, and chances are good that they will replace the firearm for you free of charge.

    mbogo
     
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    Yes, You may have to drag American Eagle into it too - so I hope you kept the box. But between the two of them, they will likely fix you up - it'll just take a while.
     
  11. MrIzhevsk

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    Just curious, was this a 9mm or .40?
     
  12. jakk280rem

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    from post #7.
    Sure sounds like 9mm.

    let us know what happens. i've been lusting after a p99 40 as for a while now. it'll be interesting to see how s&w/walther handle this.
     
  13. denfoote

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    Do all of the above.
    Include your pictures in the communication with S&W.

    Federal is usually pretty cooperative with ammunition issues.
     
  14. GLOOB

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    If it was a squib, you might have a ring in the barrel. A squib round flattens out when the next bullet hits it from behind, which can put a ring-shaped dent inside the bore. In fact, there are sometimes two rings, if you look close. The second smaller ring is closer to the chamber, where the non-squib bullet got squashed. These are easy to see by looking down the bore, so long as you haven't cleaned it since the last shot was fired.
     
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  15. Dudemeister

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    Thanks for the input. I bought this 9mm used about 3 weeks ago, and took it to the range last weekend for the first time.

    I'm not sure that Walther will do anything about it as I'm pretty sure it's out of warranty. According to the date code, it's a 2002 (AC) model. However, the gun store I bought it from did say they'll cover it for a year. We'll see...

    I'm not sure that what I experienced was a "Squib". There was no previous misfire, nor was there a "weak" previous shot. It was more like a shot that backfired. The only time I experienced something like this was a year or so ago, when I shot 45LC reload out of my Ruger Vaquero, and the round split near the rim. This particular shot felt like that. I noticed the gun had only partially cycled, and when I pulled the slide back, the spent shell came out easily. I looked at it, but in the rather dim light I didn't see anything wrong so I tossed it.

    I also shot another box worth of bullets after this happened (I didn't know there was a problem at the time). At home I took the gun apart, cleaned the barrel, etc. It was when I was oiling the inner workings that I noticed the crack.

    So if there was any evidence of a defective round, it got lost during cleaning. I do however still have the original box the bullets came in, and there is a lot number on it.

    I'll contact the gun shop tomorrow to see if they can do anything.

    Here is a question though: This is an all German made gun, with the Tennifer slide, and the nice looking trigger guard. If S&W was to fix it, will I end up with the new version of the gun, or will they give me a original frame?
     
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    Te new guns have tennifer on it as well.

    However, they no longer make the old style frame. so, IF they did solve it for ya, you'd get a new frame and slide, likely.
     
  17. Dudemeister

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    Well, I called S&W / Walther support today, and was told that the warranty from Walther only covers the original purchaser for 1 year. They could not give me an estimate without seeing the gun, but generally they don't replace the frame, because the serial numbers are matched to the slide and barrel. so usually they replace the entire gun, and destroy the defective one.

    They did say that cases such as this they can give "a discount" toward the purchase of a new gun.

    Obviously that doesn't make me feel any good. I may have just thrown $500+ away with this purchase. Now my only hope is the gun shop I bought it from. We'll see what they can do.
     
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    If the gun shop can't help you and have to go the way of the "discount" I would recommend the M&P and the free 2 extra magazines or $50 rebate as new S&W firearms come with life-time product/service warranty.

    Now we know why S&W decided to produce their own pistol lines. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Shipwreck

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    I damaged a P99 a few years ago myself - and I called S&W. Their P99 discount at the time was $500. I ended up just selling it for cheap to someone as a beater gun (I had dropped it by accident and messed up 1 side where the front rail is). Then I used the $ to buy another P99.

    In your case, you may be stuck, because you can't sell the frame.
     
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    My suggestion is to persuade the gun shop to replace the gun, for free or

    at a discount, with a Springfield XD or XDm. They carry a lifetime warranty and perform superbly.
     
  21. Dudemeister

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    I took the gun back to the dealer, and it's being sent back to S&W as we speak.

    He (the shop owner) took a look at it, and believes the damage is due to a hot load, but feels that the frame must have been defective to crack the way it did, so he will demand that S&W fixes or replaces it.

    At the same time he plans on sending Federal a nastygram about this and see what they have to say for themselves.

    We'll see what develops.
     
  22. Dudemeister

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    My suggestion is to persuade the gun shop to replace the gun, for free or
    at a discount, with a Springfield XD or XDm. They carry a lifetime warranty and perform superbly.


    To be honest, the only reason I bought this gun is because I like the way it looks, and because it's supposed to be a accurate pistol.

    I primarily shoot revolvers, and a couple of target 22 autos (Buckmark and Neos), but I always liked the P99 and bought it for target plinking. If I can't get this one fixed or replaced, I'm not sure I'll get a different gun, I'm not a big fan of Glocks, XD or USP or anything like that.
     
  23. Dudemeister

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    Finally an update

    A couple of weeks ago I was in the gun shop, so I took the opportunity to ask what the status was on the P99 repair. The shop owner told me that he had talked to S&W after they got the gun, and they were going to scrap it and replace it with a new gun, but hadn't heard from them since.

    He also said he was going to call them again to get an update. Yesterday, I called them back again, and they told me that they couldn't get a hold of S&W because they were closed for the holidays (huh, what??).

    I thought that was strange, but kept my mouth shut, and called S&W support myself. After being on hold for about 8-10 minutes, I got a support guy who was very helpful. I gave him the gun serial number, and here is what I got back:

    The P99 that was sent to them was indeed deemed defective and was scrapped on Nov. 11. An order for a brand new replacement was put in to Walther in Germany.

    Great news, but where is it, it's been 6 weeks since Nov 11?

    Well... here is the bad news, they are "backordered", and there are 21 other people in front of me waiting for theirs. The shipment with my gun, is expected on Feb 24.

    I thanked the man, and hung up. I then did a quick count: S&W gets they shipment on 2/24, a few days later they send it to the dealer, who then calls me to come fill out the new paper work. I then have to wait the 10 days to pick up the gun. So if I'm lucky, I will only have been waiting for about 5 months.

    Hmmm... How would you guys feel about that? Yes, I'm getting a new gun out of this deal, but 5 MONTHS ???
     
  24. Shipwreck

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    Considering that you bought the gun used, and it's an old 1st gen... And the 1 year warranty is way expired, I would be happy that they are doing what they are ... I know the waiting sucks, but you really can't complain too much under the circumstances.
     
  25. SharpsDressedMan

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    I would have bought another early P99, and kept the damaged one as spare parts. I, too, like the orignal better than the new P99's. But that's just me................
     
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