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Walther PPK/S 22

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by 1911WB, Apr 27, 2013.

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  1. 1911WB

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    Anyone got one of these new PPK/S 22's yet? Would love to read a quick review if you do. My lgs just got two in, both blue; but, of course, I want the silver one (SS & nickel). So while I'm waiting, I'd like to know if the little puppy works reliably and whether it's accurate. :) WB
     
  2. usp9

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    How much are they selling for? I'm in the market for one as well.
     
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    I'd look out if I were you guys. They're more than likely constructed at least partially of zamak (slide most likely).

    I don't have an issue with zamak in low cost guns, it is when they make a gun out of the cheapest manufacturing materials possible and then charge $400 for it that makes me unhappy.
     
  5. Fishbed77

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    It's made by Umarex (made at Umarex factory in Arnsberg), so it's not a real Walther (which are made in the Walther factory in Ulm).

    For that reason alone, I'd pass.
     
  6. Kiln

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    If it is anything like my Umarex Walther P22 I'd pass double time.
     
  7. usp9

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    Can you source that information?
     
  8. TennJed

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    The general consensus on the Walther forums is it is made by Umarex and made of an Alloy (pot metal some call it). I have not read every post on the forum about it, but the info seems to come from the proof marking on the gun. Koln proof which is the Umarex factory in Germany not the Ulm factory. Page 13 of the following thread shows the proofmark

    http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/pp-tp-series/25386-new-ppk-22-coming-13.html

    That being said I had a Colt/Walther/Umarex 1911 in 22lr. It was a good gun, function was great, not ammo picky and reasonably accurate. I sold it because I had a too many 22s, but it was a pretty good gun.

    But this is disappointing to find out about the new PPK/S. I would jump on it in a heart beat if it was all steel
     
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    Thanks. That was an informative link.

    I own two of the so called "pot metal" guns; a GSG 1911-22 and a Umarex (Walther) HK MP5-22. Both of these are really nice firearms. I've been especially impressed with the accuracy of the 1911. The MP5 has fed and fired all ammo. It is the most fun plinker I own, replaced the Ruger 10/22 for the top title.

    I'm still willing to plunk down some cash for a new PPK/S in .22lr. Looks like a lot of fun to me... price dependent of course.
     
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    After reading into it some more last night I found out the the S&W M&P 22 handgun is also proof marked the same way and made by Umarex. I did not know that. The M&P was on my short list to buy. I am still going to get it. I think Umarex gets some undeserved hate.
     
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    I recently acquired a FEG (Hungary) AP-22 imported in around 1998 by Interarms. Make no mistake; this is pure solid steel, with an impressive deep blued finish. It's a rimfire version of their PA-63 pistol. I'm pleased with its fire and handling characteristics, and it's "Walther-like" enough that, if Walther was to market a .22LR PPK/S that was really made of steel, I would recommend it.
     
  12. Kiln

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    I think they ruined their rep with early P22s because they had constant issues with them for years. The reviews are mostly positive these days but after owning an 2009 P22 that had every jam under the sun with every ammo type and different mags, I'm just not willing to give them another shot.

    My other major problem is that their slides are made from zamak like Hi Point, which isn't a problem per say, it is only a problem for me because the only reason to use zamak is to cut costs. When you use the absolute cheapest metal available and then still charge $400 for it, that becomes a problem for me.
     
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    Not being made of Steel and charging $400+ is a mistake IMHO. The S&W M&P 22 is made by uramex and it is aluminum (from what I understand) and below $400.
     
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    I am sure Umarex is counting on a lot of uninformed buyers purchasing this pistol because it looks cool (and because of the Bond connection).

    Of course that is the business model for pretty much all Umarex rimfire products (P22, H&K replicas, Uzi replicas, etc).

    It's a real shame, because it truly waters down the Walther name, and the real Walther factory in Ulm still produces some of the world's best pistols (P99, PPQ, PPS).
     
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    ppk m2 5" barrel

    So what about the ppk m2 5" barrel? its kind of piqued my interest of late...is it a made in germany, real deal Holyfield? or a pretender Walther? (i think its called a ppk m2 anyway)
     
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    That's the PPQ M2, not PPK. Two totally different pistols.
     
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    yea my bad, ppq m2 5"....anyone know anything about it?
     
  20. Fishbed77

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    The PPQ M2 is made by Walther at their state-of-the-art factory in Ulm, Germany.

    The easy was to tell where a Walther-branded firearm is made is by the proofmarks. A pistol made by Walther in Ulm will carry the "staghorn" proof mark, as seen on this P99:

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    A pistol made by Umarex in Arnsberg (near Cologne) will carry the "shield with 3 crowns" proof mark, as seen on this P22:

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  21. B J Elliott

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    I just got one of these today, haven't even fired it yet, but notices the clip seems a little loose, is this normal? Just wondering, thanks.
     
  22. Fishbed77

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    The PPK/S uses a magazine. Not a clip.

    Most semi-automatic magazines feel a little loose in the firearm unless they are loaded. How does it feel loaded up?

    Sorry. Gotta be that guy... :)

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  23. B J Elliott

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    Ok pardner, now tell me this, what makes a threaded barrel more desirable than a non threaded barrell, and how can one tell? Thanks.
     
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    Walther PPK/S

    Ok, Mr one of those guys, what makes one with a threaded barrell more desirable than others, and how can one tell? :)
     
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    I have the new Silver PPK/S 22. It has shot perfectly, with one stovepipe in 550 rounds. The magazine is a little loose in the magwell. Not a concern at all. The fit and finish is very well done. It is very accurate, one ragged hole at 7 yards. The DA trigger pull is very heavy. The SA pull is light, and crisp. There is no wear after 550 rounds, and I dont see any real problems of any kind. It is not a remake of the old PPK/S 22. It is a replica. That said, it is a nice looking, nice shooting pistol. It may have a limited lifespan because of the materials it is constructed of. Or not. No one knows yet.

    The barrel is threaded, because it is a thin barrel within a sleeve. The barrel is held into the sleeve/frame, by a barrel nut. This has been the recent trend with Umarex guns. The P22, Colt 1911-22, S&W M&P22, and the PPK/S 22 are all threaded/sleeved. The advantage of this set up is that by removing the barrel nut, and replacing it with an inexpensive threaded adapter made for this purpose, one can add a suppressor, or other muzzle accessory, simply, and economically. The way to tell if the barrel is captive by a barrel nut, is simply pull the slide back and look. You will see a seam about half an inch from the muzzle, and cuts machined into the nut for a wrench.

    The four pistols I listed above, all make excellent suppressor hosts. The ability to add a suppressor for just the cost of the adapter($25)makes them attractive to those of us who own suppressors. Whether you like the way the way the P22 is constructed, or not, or how it functions, it remains one of the most popular .22 pistols to suppress.

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