Walther PPQ 9mm
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I don't need one at all but for some reason this gun is really tempting me.
If history is a good indicator I'll probably own one soon.
If history is a good indicator I'll probably own one soon.
herrwalther
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The only real discussion when getting a PPQ (besides caliber) is whether you want the paddle or button release. It is pretty hard to go wrong with one.
Also if you want the button release, you are wrong. Just saying...
Also if you want the button release, you are wrong. Just saying...
JeeperCreeper
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$100 rebate expires tomorrow, 9/16/17. Go get one. I prefer the paddle for cool factor and to not bump their sensitive mag release accidentally. Quick, go now and buy!!!
stchman
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I would personally get a VP9 over the PPQ. H&K is having their 4 free mags thing.
herrwalther
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Pretty poor reason. Generally I find Walthers to be about $300 less than their HK counterparts. Walther PPQ magazines run about $30.
stchman
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A VP9 is approximately the same price (without $100 MiR from Walther) as a PPQ.
https://www.cdnnsports.com/walther-ppq-m2-9mm.html#.Wbw2-mfYhYQ
https://www.cdnnsports.com/hk-vp9-9mm-4-striker-w-rail-ambi-3-dot-sgt-2-15rd.html#.Wbw3_mfYhYQ
The VP9 can be had for $499 from CDNN, a PPQ from CDNN is $550. I just looked. PPQ mags are $37 each at CDNN while VP9 mags are $45 each.
So if we do the math, VP9 with 6 mags for $500 or a PPQ with 2 mags for $450(after MiR). These prices don't reflect shipping or transfer fees.
Also, the PPQ comes only in black where you can get the VP9 in black, grey, OD, or FDE.
So which one is the better deal?
Chuck R.
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I've got 2 PPQ-9 M1s, (also a VP9) by coincidence I used one in a Dave Spaulding Vehicular Combatives class this past weekend, 543 rds over 2 days without cleaning. Class included rolling around on the ground and putting the muzzle into the windshield when firing, no problems. This particular PPQ has about 7,500 rds through it, primarily my 147 grain reloads, using Magnum Research magazines. I replaced the recoil spring about 1K ago when it started getting sluggish returning to battery when reloading. The gun still functioned. My other PPQ has a little over 5K through it, again zero issues. I've used PPQs in 3 of what some would call "high volume" classes 350+ rds per day and never had an issue. One class was close to 500 rds per day, in blowing dust, picking up mags off the ground and re-using, shooting upside down, odd positions, etc.
I shoot a lot and clean seldom (own my own range, reload etc.). Not uncommon for me to go 1000-2000 rds without bothering to clean, which is why I have duplicates of carry/HD guns.
IF you're looking for a CCW pistol the PPQ is smaller than the VP 9 in both height and length. The PPQ is slightly larger than the G19, and the VP9 is slightly larger than the PPQ. Sooner or later all those "slightly largers" start to add up.
Chuck
I shoot a lot and clean seldom (own my own range, reload etc.). Not uncommon for me to go 1000-2000 rds without bothering to clean, which is why I have duplicates of carry/HD guns.
IF you're looking for a CCW pistol the PPQ is smaller than the VP 9 in both height and length. The PPQ is slightly larger than the G19, and the VP9 is slightly larger than the PPQ. Sooner or later all those "slightly largers" start to add up.
Chuck
Old Unc, I have to say you have great taste in guns...first the Makarov post and now this!
I just purchased a PPQM2 with the push button mag release a few months back and took advantage of the Walther $100 rebate. One of the best purchases I ever made. The PPQ is truly a "sniper's pistol." It is scary accurate, amazing feel in the hand and the best trigger I've used on any production 9mm auto. It is a work of art.
Buy it...!
I just purchased a PPQM2 with the push button mag release a few months back and took advantage of the Walther $100 rebate. One of the best purchases I ever made. The PPQ is truly a "sniper's pistol." It is scary accurate, amazing feel in the hand and the best trigger I've used on any production 9mm auto. It is a work of art.
Buy it...!
stchman
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Don't get me wrong, both the PPQ and VP9 are great guns. IMO, the VP9 just feels like a more quality piece of equipment. I owned both, I traded the PPQ but would not trade my VP9. With the 4 free mags, it is a great deal.
Just thought of something worth mentioning... before I buy any autoloader I will rely on for defensive work, I look at videos showing how they detail strip. The PPQ is dirt simple to detail strip, just like the Glock. That is important to me for two reasons; one, I shoot a lot and do detail strip and clean the gun thoroughly when it needs it, and two, I don't want to deal with overly complicated designs in a defensive handgun...more things to go wrong, more parts to be concerned with in a SHTF scenario, and more of a PITA to detail strip when the gun needs it.
Bottom line the PPQ passes with flying colors...very simple design...
Bottom line the PPQ passes with flying colors...very simple design...
Chuck R.
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Don't get me wrong I like my VP9 (liking my other HKs better though), but the thread was about the Walther PPQ. Honestly I hardly shoot my VP9, much, much, prefer my reworked P30L LEM, to me the P30 (and USP and HK45 and P2000) series feel like a much higher quality piece of equipment, but the threads not about that. IF you want to compare the PPQ and VP9, I think the HK handles recoil better (to me the PPQ is "flippy"), but IMHO the PPQ has a better trigger out of the box.
Chuck
Aside from my Buckmark, THE most accurate gun I've owned or shot. You can hand it to just about anyone and they will hoot it well. I like the paddle mag release, my only nit is the front sight on mine went flying, turns out they are held on exactly like Glocks, even use the same retaining nut. I replaced it with a fiber optic front sight.
sigarms228
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Gun Buyer has the PPQ M1 for $479.
I have both the PPQ 9MM and VP9 and both are terrific pistols buy I prefer my PPQ by a little bit and it is easier to conceal. I also don't shoot my VP9 much anymore as I prefer shooting my HK P30L over it.
I have more than a few pistols including SIGs, HKs, Glock 19, and CZ and my PPQ goes with me to the range the most, almost every time.
https://www.gunbuyer.com/walther-ppq-m1-9mm-4-barrel-15-round-black-2795400-wal2795400-gb.html
Got a 5" ppq m2 9mm about 2 1/2 months ago to go with my 4" ppq m2 40 and love it. The m2 nomenclature signifies the push bottom mag release and the m1 signifies the bottom of the trigger guard paddle mag release. I have quite a few semiautos and only one has a paddle mag release (Hk usp), so I chose to own a couple of m2's. The main benefits to the m1 is that it seems some people inadvertently push the mag release while firing the m2 and drop the mag out while firing. Me and those who have shot my ppq's never had this problem or seen it in person, but there is a couple videos of this and it is reported on forums. Also the paddle release is truly ambidextrous if that thing kind of matters. Seems my trigger isn't as clean on my 2016 ppq as my 2014 ppq, even though I shoot the 2016 superbly. Anyways there's definitely a difference in the triggers, but the new one is still better than any other striker fired trigger on the market, I just notice it because I've been putting a lot of rounds through these the last month. The ppq's definitely have more muzzle flip than the other striker fired wonders, especially if you go 40 or 45. But 9mm is well just 9mm, but shooting side by side with other poly 9's you'll notice slightly more flip. As far as inherent accuracy goes, your not going to find a polymer striker fired gun that can out shoot the ppq plain and simple. There's a guy on YouTube that has a channel called Brokosok and he accuracy test pistols out to 25 yards and what he gets with his q's is pretty much the same I get with mine. I've even got a couple of 1" 5 shot groups with my 5" ppq last month, which impressed the hell out of me. Walthers guns made at the Ulm plant are high quality guns and the quality shows when you strip it down and look at the internals compared to other striker guns. This is where the ppq shines over the vp9/40 in my opinion. The vp guns have spot welds and some other things I don't particularly care for. Here's a good comparison between the two http://www.defensereview.com/walthe...ker-fired-combattactical-9mm-pistol-face-off/. Full disclosure though, there's comparisons that also favor the vp9 so take it for what it's worth, but these guys share my opinion. The ppq does have flaws though and that is that the mags are pricey and the stock plastic sights while functional, still are cheap plastic sights. Also there's reports of failures with slightly out of spec ammunition that would more than likely function in any other pistol because the ppq has a tighter chamber to get that accuracy I was talking about. I've run everything in my 2 ppq's that I could find from steel to the cheapest off brand brass you can think of and not one malfunction. I stopped counting how many rounds I had through my 40 after 2000 and I am around that on my 9mm. I don't know if it's in my head or not but my 40 seems to have more slide to frame rails play than I recalled when I first got it, but it still functions flawless and shoots tighter groups than I've been able to get in any of my other 40's so I'm not worried
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To me, the PPQ. I don't factor in special sales or rebates when comparing prices. I just notice what a gun generally goes for locally. In all HK guns have never really impressed me. The trigger on a H2000SK felt pretty amazing but not for the price tag that HK tend to go for. I had a pawn shop try selling me a used HK USP with 1 magazine for a grand that looked like it was abused on a regular basis.
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I have one with the Smith & Wesson stamp. Paddle release. I will not part with it.
stchman
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Most people (including myself) will factor in a rebate or lots of free stuff when buying a gun. If I was a millionaire, I would not.
H&K USPs are very overpriced new. If one wants to get one, the used market will give much better prices. I could have gotten a lightly used USP40c for $475, but passed on it. I probably should have bought it.
wally
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The photos is the PPQ Original, aka M1 now that the M2 with the "US" thumb magazine release is out.
The M2 is generally what you will find when shopping. Unfortunately the mags are not interchangeable
The M2 is generally what you will find when shopping. Unfortunately the mags are not interchangeable
greyling22
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I found the front of the ppq grip to be too squared off for me. like a glock. The vp9 was more comfortable in hand. the ppq had a better trigger though.
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